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The royal family

PR disasters thread 26

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BigWillyLittleTodger · 26/07/2026 11:15

Let the conversation continue……

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AliasGracie · 31/07/2026 09:31

Morelovelyandtemperate · 31/07/2026 08:19

BTL comments in the DM include:

  • Old photo, Harry has less hair than that
  • MM had to leak the story because no one commented on the scottish loch photo she posted
  • They always get free holidays from rich people - and comparisons with the Yorks.

The pair of them are just sickening

ShamedBySiri · 31/07/2026 09:32

I've just read in Wikipedia about the death of Ian Wace's first wife and children - I remember the reporting at the time, what an awful, terrible thing to happen. I wondered how anyone could come back from something like that. Glad he has found ways to use his wealth that I'm sure bring him joy.
I also suspect he is friends or at least acquaintances with JKR, due to his charitable work with orphans in Romania likely overlapping with JKR's charity Lumos. I'm sure I've heard her mention using old friend's names in her books occasionally, I wouldn't be surprised if the use of the Wace name for a character who lives a perverted version of the Tanera Mor Wace is a bit of an in joke between them.

ShamedBySiri · 31/07/2026 09:35

Choux · 31/07/2026 09:26

You may actually be correct on JKR @ShamedBySiri. Ian’s second wife after his first wife died was Fiona Hardy an Australian writer of crime fiction and children’s fiction. There aren’t that many billionaires roaming round Scotland so a billionaire couple with a writer wife would quite likely cross paths with another billionaire writer who lives in Scotland. Perhaps JKR was invited to Tanera Mar.

Tanera Mar isn’t all charitable function and pitching in. This article says:Wace has stated that he did not apparently buy Tanera in 2017 with the philanthropic purpose and objectives he began to articulate publicly five years later in 2022. At one level the island remains a place for the wealthy, the rich and famous to be invited for short restorative stays. Who these people continues to be a well-kept secret but, of course, rumours abound about celebrities and members of the royal family being spotted boarding the speedboat from the Badentarbat jetty to the island. I return to the publicised charitable aims of the project below, but it needs reiterating that Tanera has been developed as a location to please the business elites and the wealthy of the world. This is made clear by the SIE ‘Operations and Guest Coordination lead’ who, in a Linked In post (June 2024) described the work of the team thus: ‘From wellness retreats and escapes for UHNWIs to offsite gatherings for global finance leaders our team creates space for unique transformative experiences in one of the worlds (sic) most remote and stunning locations’
https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2026/03/25/a-laird-for-our-times-questions-of-philanthropy-and-community-in-the-scottish-highlands/

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Oh interesting @Choux

Guess the Sussexes probably did get their luxury holiday then.

Cross post re: JKR

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 31/07/2026 09:36

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 31/07/2026 02:56

They do love a rich pal…..

Starryfifty · 31/07/2026 09:53

What's in it for this billionaire allowing this pair of grifters into his life ?

Starryfifty · 31/07/2026 09:59

Also, assume this billionaire will cover H's legal costs 🙄 it's AMW part 2

BasiliskStare · 31/07/2026 10:13

I can't see a single reason why Ian Wace should contribute to H's court costs. I'll bet H will have talked him about giving a donation to the IG though.

ShamedBySiri · 31/07/2026 10:45

Thanks for that article @Choux
Very interesting.
A few thought provoking standouts (It's a long article) :

“The problem is that finance is useless. The solution is to try and do something useful with the only thing it produces: the money it makes for the winners … Meaning has to be found in what they subsequently do with the money they have made. For many of them, the most valuable thing they can do with their riches is establish a reputation outside the world of finance which matches the image they have in their own heads. It is for this reason that so many people in finance, after achieving their fortune, become obsessed with wanting to be the thing they know themselves to be: a philosopher king.”

"Appraisals of philanthropy might be assembled around the following themes: the dominance of the giver; issues of control, accountability and legitimacy; conditions attached to the giving; the self-aggrandisement of the donor; actual as opposed to asserted or imagined impact; the ethical foundations upon which the philanthropist’s wealth was built; and the more subtle – but no less powerfully insidious – feelings or obligations of indebtedness and being beholden to the source of the gift. Arguably, there is no such thing as a ‘pure gift’ as all such transactions create power relationships between the donor and the recipient."

" it is difficult to convey the spirit, the mood and the aesthetic of the place which Wace – and his many highly skilled employees – have created there. Not least of these difficulties is that all staff and visitors have had to sign non-disclosure agreements (NDAs), thus preventing or inhibiting the communication of their experiences to the outside world. When asked about the reasons for the NDAs Wace, or his spokespeople, resort to saying ‘Tanera may seem like a mysterious place sometimes, but this is largely to keep the mystique and magic for those who visit’"

"Like many powerful and rich men, Wace attempts to control this public narrative, and has thus far been successful in doing so."

"What might constitute ‘caring’ is not up for debate and consultation with Coigach inhabitants has played no part in shaping decisions which will directly affect their future(s). They have not been invited to articulate their priorities in terms of the economic, cultural and social wellbeing of the peninsula. From our conversations, comments like these were not untypical: ‘I am increasingly feeling displaced or unplaced since Wace bought the Badentarbat estate’, ‘I think a lot of us were taken in by him to begin with. He was different when he first came, but he has changed quite a bit and is now showing his true self’. The complexity here is that this control is – at best – nuanced, inflected and complicated by the language of philanthropy and of ‘doing good’. I sense that it is this dimension of how Wace operates which unnerves and irks people the most. The question of control extends beyond the powers that accompany ownership but also to matters around publicity, who tells the story and how that story is told. Those who might be able to ‘tell the story’ from their own experience of actually working on Tanera are forbidden to do so by virtue of having to sign an NDA. "

My chief takeaway - lots of secrecy and NDA's , a lot of information is hard to come by. Just Harry's sort of man.

I am even more sure that Jonathan Wace of the Running Grave is based on Ian Wace although hopefully Ian Wace isn't involved in criminality and sexual exploitation. I'm not sure he's the kind of person JKR would be overly friendly with. Maybe she is friends with the ex wife. 😉

Aprilfountain · 31/07/2026 10:48

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 31/07/2026 09:36

They do love a rich pal…..

Yes, very much like the other disgraced Spare and his greedy wife - Andy and fergie!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/07/2026 10:49

Mylovelygreendress · 31/07/2026 08:13

So do we think he might have been trying to persuade Ian Wace to stump up funding for Invictus 2027 ?

I'd say that's entirely possible, mylovelygreendress

TBH I originally wondered if H&M really were there at all, but if this guy works for veterans' causes I can sort of see the connection. That said there are plenty of other charities engaged in this field, and most would surely be a better bet than Harry/Invictus

Mylovelygreendress · 31/07/2026 11:11

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/07/2026 10:49

I'd say that's entirely possible, mylovelygreendress

TBH I originally wondered if H&M really were there at all, but if this guy works for veterans' causes I can sort of see the connection. That said there are plenty of other charities engaged in this field, and most would surely be a better bet than Harry/Invictus

Maybe H has tried them ?
Do rich , powerful organisations / philanthropists want to be associated with H and M ?

Starryfifty · 31/07/2026 11:32

Mylovelygreendress · 31/07/2026 11:11

Maybe H has tried them ?
Do rich , powerful organisations / philanthropists want to be associated with H and M ?

I don't understand why any philanthropists would want anything to do with this pair?? I'm completely baffled

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 31/07/2026 11:37

Wonder what work Meghan rolled her sleeves up to do

Writing positive messages on neeps and tatties?

BasiliskStare · 31/07/2026 11:51

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 31/07/2026 11:37

Wonder what work Meghan rolled her sleeves up to do

Writing positive messages on neeps and tatties?

Singing with the selkies

Kirys · 31/07/2026 11:58

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 31/07/2026 11:37

Wonder what work Meghan rolled her sleeves up to do

Writing positive messages on neeps and tatties?

Well I expect we will soon see as no doubt they had a NF crew with them recording everything.

Kirys · 31/07/2026 12:09

Starryfifty · 31/07/2026 09:53

What's in it for this billionaire allowing this pair of grifters into his life ?

They have a history together …. Ian Wace and his wife Saffron Atherton accompanied H&M to the infamous Cirque du Soliel event at the Royal Albert Hall …. which MM said in the OW interview that she told PH in the morning of that day she had ideation whilst PH relayed in his MH doc that MM had told him this just before they were about to leave. Neither have expanded on when and where and with whom they then approached BP HR Department.

Justdancevance · 31/07/2026 12:19

I’m surprised we’re not getting a DM ‘sweet nod’ that Harry seems Ian as ‘a father figure’ as he’s in need of a new father figure as David foster seemed to have disappeared off the scene, and the bank of Elton has closed suddenly .

With Harry being so young and his mistakes just apparently youthful indiscretions 😂

HoldMyWine · 31/07/2026 12:36

Justdancevance · 31/07/2026 12:19

I’m surprised we’re not getting a DM ‘sweet nod’ that Harry seems Ian as ‘a father figure’ as he’s in need of a new father figure as David foster seemed to have disappeared off the scene, and the bank of Elton has closed suddenly .

With Harry being so young and his mistakes just apparently youthful indiscretions 😂

I think they already ran an article saying that Uncle Charles is his father figure. Poor Harry, being a grown up that still needs someone to look after him.

IcedPurple · 31/07/2026 12:40

Starryfifty · 31/07/2026 09:59

Also, assume this billionaire will cover H's legal costs 🙄 it's AMW part 2

Why on earth would you assume that?

Billionaires don't get to be billionaires by stumping up millions to bail out mere acquaintances.

Starryfifty · 31/07/2026 12:40

HoldMyWine · 31/07/2026 12:36

I think they already ran an article saying that Uncle Charles is his father figure. Poor Harry, being a grown up that still needs someone to look after him.

why does he need a father figure?? He has a father. Didn't he have a mother figure in Africa too ??

AnAutumnCrow · 31/07/2026 12:50

Mylovelygreendress · 31/07/2026 08:13

So do we think he might have been trying to persuade Ian Wace to stump up funding for Invictus 2027 ?

Maybe Mr Ian 'Ark' Wace can use some of the millions he's acquired from the public purse with his Ark Academy chain (established under a Labour government, I believe, when that whackaloon education secretary Ruth Kelly was trying to ban new community schools)? What's not to love about running taxpayer-funded local schools as vehicles for profit?

CariadDarling · 31/07/2026 13:14

Kirys · 31/07/2026 11:58

Well I expect we will soon see as no doubt they had a NF crew with them recording everything.

Edited

I thought Netflix had parted ways with them.

Lunde · 31/07/2026 13:31

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 31/07/2026 09:36

They do love a rich pal…..

The photos are heavily photoshopped if you compare Harry in the same week at Chatham House (his hair really grows fast 😂) - and Meghan looks different compared to her recent Cookie Queens' event

But good to see lack of security doesn't stop them having a UK holiday!

PR disasters thread 26
PR disasters thread 26
Kirys · 31/07/2026 13:42

Lunde · 31/07/2026 13:31

The photos are heavily photoshopped if you compare Harry in the same week at Chatham House (his hair really grows fast 😂) - and Meghan looks different compared to her recent Cookie Queens' event

But good to see lack of security doesn't stop them having a UK holiday!

The title below the photo of the pair of them in the water says it’s from a previous holiday.

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