AMW continuing his effort to end the Monarchy part 5

[simpsonthecat]

This will carry on... so new thread !

Link to old one below

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5527311-amw-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy-part-4?page=20&reply=153382872

The article states the plan is kept under 'constant review' by the Cabinet Office which suggests it's not merely a dropping of a governmental ball.

Even if the royals meet the cost privately (and I don't doubt they'll search for some way of off-loading it) there's still the matter of policing and security costs.

Given MW has only 'agreed' not to use his honorifics (HRH and 'sir' still seemingly in play for the hapless lackeys charged with accomodating his household duties) and hasn't been legally stripped of them I think there's nothing stopping a fancy funeral with a proportion of the costs devolving to the public purse.

Surely it’s just good planning.

AMW is entitled to a lawful burial which could include a church service. I have the plans for my funeral, so don’t see having plans for AMW to be unusual.

Ideally it all happens privately with no recourse to public funds as there is no need for the public to know.

However, it is likely that the public will find out and there is potential for some to turn up uninvited to pay their respects, protest, have a nosey etc. This may necessitate a level of crowd control funded by the taxpayer to ensure safety of members of the public and potentially the grieving family. So planning ahead makes sense.

Ideally it all happens privately with no recourse to public funds as there is no need for the public to know

Like Cathy I wouldn't want to assume there'll be no tapping of public funds, but they could always hold it at St George's Windsor and keep the public out

Strictly speaking the great unwashhed can access the place either via an admittance ticket to the castle or for a service, but it's been closed before and could easily be again

Surely at this point there is no member of the public who'd turn up to show their respects to AMW? Then again, there's no accounting for taste...

@AnnunciataM
Nothing would surprise me.

I agree St George’s Chapel, but there is still the transport from place of death/undertakers/funeral/place of burial.

The RF can arrange and pay for a minimal quiet funeral etc. but the media, public etc. may require tax payer funded police presence, particularly if family members attend.

Planning ahead rather than in a rush means less chance of mistakes.

I think that there should be a very private family funeral and his death announced two weeks later.
He doesn't deserve anything.

They need to announce his death straight away otherwise the social media rumour mill will go wild. A simple sentence is all that is needed, followed by a private family funeral. Funerals are for the living after all and his daughters deserve to be able to bury him in private.

It just reinforces the impression that the institution is still being protective and taking us for mugs. His titles only went after public outrage, then came the inevitable hindsight, and now we apparently still have these funeral arrangements. It does rather look like they make changes when the pressure becomes unavoidable and then hope the public eventually forgets. It’s certainly eyebrow-raising.

I don't think any of them apart from the monarch should have a state funeral.

And there's no need for that to be as big as the late Queen's - she was exceptional for length of service.

Sometimes the public forces it - as with Diana though. Not likely for AMW of course.

I don't think any of them do have state funerals, it's just the monarch who does, with the occasional exception like Churchill. But I guess one could argue that the "ceremonial funerals" that the rest of them are given still have as much pomp as a state funeral.

In this case it's the government not the palace that has him on the official list. I'm guessing it's an oversight.

Whatever anyone says the very fact we have this thread means AMW is not now just an ordinary citizen with a normal level of privacy.

AMWs death and funeral will be in the public domain and as such there will need for police presence to protect both the public and mourners.

Why is it unreasonable to plan ahead. No one is suggesting a state funeral just plans so they are prepared.

Andrew Lownie talking about how the Palace is perverting the course of justice. It is just what we imagined, no surprise

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"Never complain, never explain..."

I don't think we need Sherlock Holmes to work out why SF's cash for access comments weren't investigated by the Palace - it was perfectly clear to me that Andrew was in on it, even though he claimed no knowledge and she took the blame.

Yes. They were addicted to more and more dosh. There was never enough.

As if AMW didn't know!

I think in her language 'it was a humungous mistake'. It was only half a mill after all !
Heard it all before 😂

I have always wondered why she was so willing to take the fall for him but I can only put it down to money. She used to always go on about how they were the world's happiest divorced couple etc but at Eugenie's wedding he seemed to pretty much better ignoring her.

I greatly suspect she has heaps of evidence of his behaviour that he won’t want exposed at any cost. Maybe some will heavily implicate her too so keeping each other sweet was imperative.

They need to announce his death straight away otherwise the social media rumour mill will go wild.

I'm not sure this would be the case.

He mostly seems to manage to fly under the radar until he can insinuate himself into events he can't be kept away from (thinking of the carriage driving competition).

I think there's a reasonable chance his death would pass unnoticed until all the arrangements had taken place and the royals have the resources to complete them in a very private manner in short order then make an announcement.

The article suggests the arrangements are kept under review.

IIRC the 'bridge' plans are regularly revisited. You'd think someone might have noticed MW's troubled waters.

Oh.

Selman Turk.

Again.

Yes. I agree.

Fergie's stupid but sly.

She's supposed to have been hawking a tell-all around which so far no-one has fallen for at least at the price she wants but I don't doubt she has some pretty juicy morsels in the larder and has done for years.

Fergie's stupid but sly.

She is, yet her ability to find someone willing to bail her out of debt or put her up at a ££££ resort is quite astonishing. I'd like to think she can't come back from this but as we've said before, she has more lives than Larry from No 10!

They should of course but I find all very believable as a lack of attention to detail as opposed to a plan that would happen

Transparency for all ..or not at all……