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PR Disasters thread 21

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OctopusFriend · 06/07/2026 15:37

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Lunde · 07/07/2026 20:04

BasiliskStare · 07/07/2026 18:15

I say "if" because I don't know anything about this 4.5m cap and I don't know about their insurance. I agree it t is going to cost him something though - even those sorts of insurance policies must have an excess and I too have only read about the £50m. He's certainly not getting anything back & I actually like the DM for not rolling over. No, it's not nice for M to be married to a loser , my speculation was the money will get to her more. Her husband has taken up an expensive hobby.

It was in the Press Gazette at a pre-trial hearing held before Judge Nicklin and Judge Cook when the costs were "only" projected at £38 million

But Judge Cook said he and Mr Justice Nicklin “had little difficulty concluding that such sums were manifestly excessive and therefore disproportionate”.
The pair ruled that the claimants could spend around £4.1m, and ANL around £4.5m, in the case.

pressgazette.co.uk/news/planned-costs-of-harry-and-mail-publisher-legal-battle-excessive-judges-rule/

Mylovelygreendress · 07/07/2026 20:05

Starryfifty · 07/07/2026 18:23

He didn't pay the last round and T Perry still waiting for his 30milluon back

I had read that they owe TP several million $ but 30 million ?? Can’t get my head round that .

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 07/07/2026 20:06

Mylovelygreendress · 07/07/2026 20:05

I had read that they owe TP several million $ but 30 million ?? Can’t get my head round that .

Am not sure I believe the TP stuff, wasn’t he pictured with him the other day? Not even sure who the guy is tbh….

AnAutumnCrow · 07/07/2026 20:09

Starryfifty · 07/07/2026 16:25

He just looks hungover / stoned at ingriftus speech. Ingriftus deserve better. This week has shown how little respect he has for IG

And the legal system. Now he’s slagging off Justice Nicklin and HM High Court.

It’s odd isn’t it, that we on these threads have been able to see his fracturing for a long while, and actually recognise the psychological danger that Harry is in, while being accused by a bunch of stans of ‘hate’ and ‘vile’. Yet some of us have expressed our concerns about the human toll all round.

Meanwhile those sycophants and stans are of no use to Harry or Meghan whatsoever. They have no money to spend, and no money to lose. They encourage their idols to take huge risks. No skin off their noses that Harry’s lost - they just write more mad social media posts for their own enjoyment.

Harry’s own supporters are doing him no favours. None at all. He’s unwell. Time to stop.

AtIusvue · 07/07/2026 20:11

I don’t understand the whole costs thing either but found this from Reddit helpful:

It is a common misconception that the Daily Mail is strictly limited to reclaiming that £4.44 million budget cap.
A cost management order is strictly forward-looking under English civil procedure. A judge can only cap future estimated spend. This means the millions the Mail racked up before the cap was imposed are classified as "incurred costs" and sit entirely outside that £4.44 million ceiling. However, Mr. Justice Nicklin systematically dismantled all 97 allegations, dryly noting that "suspicion is not proof."
The Mail now has the perfect ammunition to apply for indemnity costs at the upcoming consequential hearing, because the case collapsed so spectacularly,
Under English law, if a winning party can prove the litigation was a particularly egregious, politically motivated "fishing expedition" that was entirely "outside the norm," the judge can award costs on an indemnity basis. This would shatter the £4.44 million cap for the later stages of the case, and would allow the Mail to recover its actual, un-budgeted expenses. This would also serve as a protective shield for that unrestricted pile of early historical costs.
An indemnity order completely flips the script. The burden of proof shifts, forcing the losing claimants to look at the Mail’s multi million pound receipts from day one and legally prove why they shouldn’t have to foot the bill.
The Mail immediately branded the lawsuit "egregious litigation." This strongly suggests that they are setting the stage to ask the judge to tear up his own cap and wave through their historical bills, arguing that the claim was simply too meritless to deserve standard protection.
Of course, the Mail’s costs aren't completely unlimited. The judge can still look at the grand total and assess whether the expenses were actually reasonably incurred.
The upcoming consequential hearing is no longer a routine bit. In the end, this whole sorry saga was nothing more than a rather expensive fishing expedition.

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If the dumb prince refuses to pay, then the Mail goes to a California court with the UK judgment.
There, the US judge will not start a new trial or re examine the case. What they do is they verify that the UK legal process was fair.
Once the judge confirms that the process was fair, the UK order becomes an official California judgment.
Once that happens, the Mail can legally slap a lien on his Montecito house, freeze his US bank accounts, and garnish his entertainment and book royalties until the debt is fully settled.
Edited to add:
ANL would file a proper action to domesticate the judgment in California. It’s a straightforward process for UK judgments.

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No, he cannot use U.S. bankruptcy to wipe out this specific debt.
Under U.S. bankruptcy law, filing Chapter 7 or Chapter 13 allows a debtor to discharge standard debts,
“there are strict exceptions. One major exception dictates that a debtor cannot discharge a debt resulting from "willful and malicious injury" to another entity. “
Also, to qualify for U.S. bankruptcy, he would have to prove he is genuinely insolvent. This means opening up every single one of his global assets. That would include royal trusts, global entertainment contracts, and foreign property etc to court for scrutiny.

Rhaidimiddim · 07/07/2026 20:15

HurrahforHollywood · 07/07/2026 16:17

Hopefully he will drop all this endless legal action and go away and shut up. I won't hold my breath though..

He's still got to face Dr Sophie, who is suing him.

HurrahforHollywood · 07/07/2026 20:16

What's the latest on that?

Starryfifty · 07/07/2026 20:18

My2cents1975 · 07/07/2026 18:59

At a time when trust in institutions is lowering, the impartiality of the courts is vital. For a Prince to impugn a Justice is just unacceptable. IMHO, H and DL need to be charged with the UK equivalent of contempt of court.

DL sits in the House of Lords and is a part of the law making. IMHO, she needs to be absolutely censured for this.

Badly done all around. Very badly done.

Agree with this. H is an absolute embarrassment. Have said it many times before, strip him and his vulture wife of all titles and keep a distance

Middlemarch123 · 07/07/2026 20:19

Allison Pearson has just ripped Harry and his missus to shreds in The Telegraph, she doesn’t take any prisoners. Unfortunately I can’t link it, but worth a read.

Starryfifty · 07/07/2026 20:19

I'd say KC has his head in his heads willing this bloody week to end !!!!

NormalAuntFanny · 07/07/2026 20:21

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 17:05

Just seen the footage of barrister David Sherbourne arriving at the Invictus event Harry's at – by the look on his face, he's clearly been summoned to explain what the hell went wrong. Harry will want to appeal but surely that's just throwing good money after bad.

Oh where did you see that? Can you post a link please?

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 20:22

NormalAuntFanny · 07/07/2026 20:21

Oh where did you see that? Can you post a link please?

https://x.com/chrisshipitv/status/2074504077698826529

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 20:24

Middlemarch123 · 07/07/2026 20:19

Allison Pearson has just ripped Harry and his missus to shreds in The Telegraph, she doesn’t take any prisoners. Unfortunately I can’t link it, but worth a read.

Here you go!

https://archive.ph/I6KLl

Middlemarch123 · 07/07/2026 20:25

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 20:24

Oh thank you x

Starryfifty · 07/07/2026 20:25

Rhaidimiddim · 07/07/2026 20:15

He's still got to face Dr Sophie, who is suing him.

I really hope dr Sophie does not settle out of court

DaisyDooley · 07/07/2026 20:26

That ‘statement ‘ from H & DL is utterly disgraceful.
The burden of proof was on them.
They didn’t come up with proof once. Not once.
They lost . The Mail wiped the floor with them all.
Saying that His Majesty’s Court &judge performed a whitewash is -well, i can’t even think of a suitable word.
They should both be done for contempt of court and both be stripped of their titles. DL sits in a place where the law is made and when it doesn’t go her way she puts her name to a document doubting the justice system.
Absolutly disgraceful.
The fountain pen is coming out and I’m writing to the King. Apparently he reads most of the physical letters sent to him. As long as I don’t swear I think I will be ok.

Starryfifty · 07/07/2026 20:30

DaisyDooley · 07/07/2026 20:26

That ‘statement ‘ from H & DL is utterly disgraceful.
The burden of proof was on them.
They didn’t come up with proof once. Not once.
They lost . The Mail wiped the floor with them all.
Saying that His Majesty’s Court &judge performed a whitewash is -well, i can’t even think of a suitable word.
They should both be done for contempt of court and both be stripped of their titles. DL sits in a place where the law is made and when it doesn’t go her way she puts her name to a document doubting the justice system.
Absolutly disgraceful.
The fountain pen is coming out and I’m writing to the King. Apparently he reads most of the physical letters sent to him. As long as I don’t swear I think I will be ok.

I know PH is as thick as a plank but surely with all his court cases, he'd have minimal knowledge of basic law?

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 20:32

Starryfifty · 07/07/2026 20:25

I really hope dr Sophie does not settle out of court

Who is Dr Sophie? I've not heard about this case!

KatherineParr · 07/07/2026 20:33

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 20:22

He does not look happy. I'm surprised. He must have known it didn't look good.

Scorchio84 · 07/07/2026 20:34

Mylovelygreendress · 07/07/2026 08:54

Brilliant 😂😂

MyDogClive · 07/07/2026 20:35

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 07/07/2026 15:05

More word salad for Invictus, once again bounced from the headlines in favour of Harry’s personal life. When will they learn this guy is no asset?

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I’m miles behind, but the Invictus quote

Harry has now left the stage 🤣. Sorry. Howling.

DaisyDooley · 07/07/2026 20:36

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 20:32

Who is Dr Sophie? I've not heard about this case!

Dr Sophie Chanduka , who is the Chairman at Sentabale.
She has instigated a case whereby Sentabale is sueing Harryand Mark Dyer for defamation.

Strawberriesandcaviar · 07/07/2026 20:36

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 16:17

Statement by Paul Dacre, Mail editor for decades, is blisteringly withering about Harry!

"Four years ago, lawyers for Prince Harry, Doreen Lawrence and Elton John accused the Mail, in a blaze of publicity, of placing bugs in homes, cars, cafés and landline phones. We described these charges – some related to stories that were over 30 years old – as “lurid and preposterous”. Today, in what was a momentous victory for the Mail, the High Court dismissed every single one of the 97 claims."

"That is an OVERWHELMING vindication of our journalism.
The Mail’s famous front-page naming five thugs as Stephen Lawrence’s “MURDERERS”, could have seen me jailed for contempt of court. Instead, it triggered the McPherson Inquiry and the eventual jailing of two of the killers. Stephen’s father, Neville, says he owes the Mail everything. Why Baroness Lawrence – for whom we have always had profound respect and sympathy – chose to turn on both the paper, and the brilliant reporter who campaigned for justice for her son for over two decades, is something I will never be able to comprehend."

"Prince Harry wrote a sad book which boasted about his killing of 25 Taliban, his drug-taking and, in cringe-making detail, how he lost his virginity. There isn’t a laundry in the cosmos big enough to wash all the dirty linen he has aired about his own family. For him, to complain about HIS privacy being invaded takes, not just the biscuit, but the whole tin."

"Poor Harry. I feel sorry for the way a confused and angry young man has been drawn into this case. The bitter irony is that his mother, Diana, liked the Mail. We were her paper. We took her side in her acrimonious break up with Charles. She and I would speak and meet. The Mail’s superb royal reporter was her friend and confidante."

"The truth is that this trumped-up action – which has cost well over £50million and wasted a huge amount of valuable court time – should never have been brought to trial. That it did, raises profoundly disturbing questions about the conduct of elements of the legal profession."

"Today’s verdict is not just a victory for Associated’s magnificent journalists – several of whom have had a terrible toll imposed on their health and lives – but a free press generally. Make no mistake. This was a conspiracy, supported by Hacked Off, to destroy a paper."

"Financed by the orgy-loving, racist Max Mosley and involving the actor Hugh Grant, it was also a sinister bid to resuscitate Leveson Two and impose statutory regulation on the press which, even now, is rearing its ugly head in Labour’s Media Green Paper."

"Some of the allegations made by Harry’s lawyers against the Mail involved Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein. They were rejected by the Court. But remember it was the power of the Mail’s journalism that, not once, but twice, resulted in Mandelson being sacked as a minister. And it was the Mail on Sunday’s exclusive picture of Prince Andrew, with his arm around 17 year old Virginia Guiffre in Ghislaine Maxwell’s home, that, ultimately, resulted in justice for Epstein’s underage victims."

"Such justice only happened, as with Stephen Lawrence, because of the actions of a free press."

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Wow

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 20:40

DaisyDooley · 07/07/2026 20:36

Dr Sophie Chanduka , who is the Chairman at Sentabale.
She has instigated a case whereby Sentabale is sueing Harryand Mark Dyer for defamation.

Oh, of course! I do know it.

Strawberriesandcaviar · 07/07/2026 20:43

Passingthrough123 · 07/07/2026 18:41

Harry's rebuttal statement is INSANE. Whiny, petulant, factually incorrect and basically accusing the judge of being corrupt. Interestingly it's only been released on behalf of him and Baroness Lawrence – looks like the others are keeping their distance now.

people.com/prince-harry-breaks-silence-after-losing-lawsuit-against-daily-mail-publisher-12013263

WTAF? STFU!

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