Is Harry and his family coming to the UK or not

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Nobody seems to know for sure. Why should we care. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. He can't seem to do anything without attracting lots of press articles.

They did this to George.

Why are you asking any of us here? None of us are privy to threat assessments.

RAVEC, however, are. And they have made their decision on that basis. Do you have any reason to think they have erred? They have an excellent record in protecting public figures.

If he really cared about security and his children seeing their grandfather he could just fly in quietly, spend a low key few days at Sandringham/Balmoral/Highgrove and fly out and no one would be any the wiser. It’s almost as though he thrives on high drama…oh, wait…

George III I assume.

Aren't he and the family supposedly on holiday 'in Europe' at the moment?

If so, there have been no photos, no paps, no 'leaks'. We don't even know what European country they're supposedly in, if indeed they are on holiday at all. Absolutely no reason they couldn't spend a few days in Britain without anyone being any the wiser. But that's not what they want.

Sorry @IdaGlossop , but I am not aggressive, and your post did not come across as a "measured suggestion."

Indeed, following up with "proof" of need for intervention (unpredictable, angry, vascillating), and implying he is a danger to his children (responsible for small children) really proves the points that he makes, not the one you are trying to make.

We know very little about any of the principles in this situation.

The only thing we know for sure is that each family, and probably each family member, has their own PR machine. Those PRs battle it out to make their principle look great/the best.

Beyond that, we can take from the horses mouth what they think, feel and hope, and accept it or not.

So I believe now the suggestion is that spectators at Invictus aren’t safe because they won’t give him the security he wants. These will be men/women who have been to war, many of them blown up and injured or had friends injuried/died.
can he not see how awful this is. Invictus need to dump him.

@marmaladeorJamThere are two ways, as your post implies, that as members of the public we gather information: from information released about them (PR) and through a picture built up by behaviour we observe. Gossip, most of it on social media, also plays a part. But in the end, we know very little.

I do not see Harry's vascillation, anger and unpredictability as 'proof', but as indicators of his state of mind. As he hasn't seen his father for months, as far as we know, most of what his UK family has to go on is what they see. It's not unreasonable to conclude that they might be concerned. But we don't know.

There are a few certainties though. One is that Harry, once loved by the public, is now disliked, as opinion polls show, by people who have, in all probability, never met him. They drew their conclusions from observing his behaviour. Another certainty is that RAVEC, the security services and the Met know what they are doing as there have been no incidents involving high-profile people. Harry disagrees, but he knows more than us.

He's got some nerve.

He writes about killing 20 or so tali an in his helicopter gunship, so develops lots of enemies.

He then makes money from publishing this fascinating fact in "spare".

He then doesn't want to spend this money from his book on protecting hus family from these enemies.

He expects us to all pay it.

He lives in a £10m+ mansion. Has pots of money. Millions inherited from his late mother and queen mother. But he can't afford (read "won't pay for") his own security.

Private security firms are easy to find via Google!

Stay in America. No one misses him here in the UK. He's a complete loser and grifter with no shame... :)

It’s a strange choice if so. 250th and all.

He needs more chaos and drama for his next book.

No drama, no fascinating details about racist royals, no pay day!!!

And it's blatantly obvious that they are preparing to monetise the children... Yes, we will give you photos of their faces.. (yawn) to the highest bidders from hello, take a break, sky TV...

"privacy" is just code for hanging on to image rights until the day comes when they want a payday...

They are up there with the Beckhams, preparing to release what prince whoever he is or Cruz had for breakfast, what brand of toilet paper they use, career aspirations as musicians, ballet dancers, chefs, kung fu specialists, entrepreneurs, how they 'struggle' with bullying, tying their shoelaces, holding a fork etc...

Harry just needs to go away as he requested. Enjoy his family. But not cost UK taxpayers a penny. Does he even pay UK taxes??????

... Oh god, don't mention that bit!

He does have his own private security that he is paying for...at least get the facts right

Pfff so why does he need the taxpayer to fund his security????

Truth is, he wants police security, not private security.

Got my facts right love!

If he didn't blag about killing all those tali ban he wouldn't need such a high level of security anyway. He's done it to himself.

That’s exactly correct. These poor people have already been the victims of a mass terror attack and have already lost limbs, mental health, physical health, careers etc.

PH’s insensitive and careless claim that these same people could be victims a second time - very triggering of their PTSD - BUT only for his own personal benefit - he isn’t asking for these people to be blue lighted around in a cavalcade with armed guards 24/7 although he claims they are at risk …. only himself !!!

Well you obviously don't have your facts right since you incorrectly said he doesn't have private security.

Why don't you go read up why he is asking for security in the UK when he visits. I believe one reason is his private security are not allowed to carry weapons in the UK. He also offered to pay for it (not asking for taxpayers to pay for it) but was told no. So stop asserting he is expecting us to pay for it when he isn't. That isn't why he is asking.

He is a Prince of a Royal Family he is a target regardless of whether he was in the military and killed taliban. If we took your logic then you would say Princess Catherine and her kids don't need security since they haven't killed any, yet they do.

On the issue of facts.

He didn't offer to pay for private armed security. This was established in a court of law.

The optics say:

1. His father would like to see him. Thus offering a place to stay with security on site.

2. No one is going to facilitate them performing a pretend Royal tour of UK.

3. He missed the mark by trying to publicly manipulate them into bending. He doubled down by making the self-paid report public and mentioning a mass terror attack.

All his relatives ( with the exception of the monarch and the heir) manage without any security when not on duty. Many of them are Princes and Princesses of the Royal Family.
Harry is nowt special, and the RAVEC assessment corroborates this.

Yes, I was going to say, presumably this concern for Harry’s welfare as a Prince of the Royal Family also extends to Edward?

Who cares? - but I hope not, and if they do, they will encounter a lot of booing.

Not disputing that point.

The Sussexes could have flown in unnoticed last week and enjoyed the heatwave playing in private royal grounds while getting to know their grandad. Without advance notice they could have had a helicopter jaunt straight from the airport.

Instead we’ve had all this will they/won’t they shit. If they want to stay safe they should keep it zipped, don’t make advance announcements that most people aren’t interested in and come and accept the accommodation that was offered at an undisclosed royal residence. Surely they’d be perfectly safe there.

But experts in this area assess the risk whenever he comes over, and appropriate security is provided. What can possibly be wrong with that? If he wants to augment what’s provided with his own private security, he is more than welcome to do so.

We can infer that the risk does not currently justify 24/7 armed security, because if it did, he’d have it and presumably wouldn’t be complaining.

The situation for KC3 and the Waleses is different, because of their constitutional significance. Everyone’s security changes when they fall out of the direct line of succession and this would have happened to Harry too, had he stayed. You say Harry is a target because he is a “Prince of a Royal Family”, but why should Harry get a better deal than Edward, Anne, Beatrice and Eugenie, the other prince and princesses who are not in the direct LoS?

Two other critical points. First, it seems that Harry wants automatic 24-hour armed security wherever he and his family's come go the UK. That would mean a team on stand-by. Expensive. Second, working royals get protection when they are working. He is not a working royal and chose not to be. Some critical thinking required here. Not Harry's strong point.

Im not arguing those points i was addressing the posters ridiculous comments.