Is Harry and his family coming to the UK or not

[Viviennemary]

Nobody seems to know for sure. Why should we care. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. He can't seem to do anything without attracting lots of press articles.

Given now woodchip has been explicitly clear in disagreeing with you calling it sick...well you can no longer saying im lying if thats what you needed..someone explicitly writing it to you.

The thread has moved on now.

Just because someone agrees with you after the fact doesn’t make your original claim true, fortunately truth doesn’t work like that.

Unlikely bedfellows, but both are anti-establishment. That may explain it.

Harry is not anti establishment in the slightest. Quite the opposite. This is a bloke who got doormats engraved with his royal standard. He's just upset that his brother ranks higher than him.

To support Harry means that you support a very archaic version of the monarchy; he is so supremely arrogant and entitled. He is un able to bear criticism. It's like a Tudor response. Even the mildest of criticism is "hate", and he's constantly infantilised by his supporters who literally can't bear anything said against him... because he is a royal prince

It's genuinely baffling.

Exactly! He's very reactionary and right wing. It's entirely about status and privilege and not being answerable to the public.

Yep. Someone who expects the 'little people', who are in fact highly trained specialist police officers, to be on standby for his every whim. Someone said he's like an 'old style' aristocrat and I think it's true. But even they had some concept of their debt to society. Harry does not.

He's like these aristos and royals of old. "Don't question me, just give me your taxes! I don't have to be pleasant or hardworking or charming or supportive. It is enough that I am royal"
He'd have got on well with Louis XVI

All of which is true and admirable and a healthy and appropriate way to be personally my dads ashes are next to the tv the kids don't bat an eye about him being there unless the cat tries licking the box (again) then everyone shouts "DONT LICK GRANDAD"

Anyway

The bit I disagree with is the potential to make visiting a dead relative part of a documentary for netflix im really REALLY hoping they never sink so low i agree dead people are not taboo we should be more open as a society but Diana's fans can be....a bit obsessed thats why her grave is private I believe her brother had concerns

Horse's mouth here. @LipglossAndLies has read my post right. The difficulty with Archie and Lili visiting the grave is that they have never met Diana. Motive matters too. H&M behave like members of a cult eg Meghan asking for guidance. A grave focuses on death. Talking about how a person was in life so children can have a sense of them is quite different. So I don't think it's sick. I think it's misguided.

I agree with that Ida.

I think to celebrate those you love with those who never met them can only be a good thing. Celebrate the life not the dying. So many stories to share to make the memory beautiful and a thing of joy despite the events that came to pass.

I can’t help but think that a visit to the grave with the children would be more for H&M’s benefit. Their joint visits have been a story to tell and elaborate on rather than a quiet moment of contemplation in private. Somewhat performative if you will - whatever the authenticity of the grief may be (H’s alone).

To take the children would indeed be misguided. Very much so.

And sadly for me, it does seem to stray into ‘sick’ territory if the children are merely there to be part of the show.

Can someone tell me why we would know any of these plans? Did they announce they plan to take the children to Diana’s grave?

Indeed! And the issue here is this isn’t some family visiting a beloved family grave, this is ham , who use everything and especially Diana as a pr money spinner!! , if they take those children there we all know pictures and even videos will surface not long after! , to tug at the heart strings of the public and to yet again claim Diana as their own!

Yes of course it was itemised on their tour itinerary then given to the press via their WhatsApp group!!

That’s… shocking. 😳

Totally normal behaviour from a grieving son surely? 🙄

Yep!

Well now you have heard it from IdaGlossop herself that I had read her post right and to say she didn't agree with it being called sick so 🤷 I wasn't lying.

No need to apologise we all make mistakes now and again 🙂

Indeed!! , I always advertise my grieving itinerary, don’t you?

I’m afraid to butt in Ida , but unfortunately the way you have worded this reply has lead someone to believe that you agree wholeheartedly with them and now they are gleefully waving it in @BigWillyLittleTodgerface in a most unbecoming way!!! 😬

It’s the first thing thing I do when a close relative keels over 😂

Oh ! Me too! 😁

Thanks Jeff, but at least that poster is leaving you alone for once! 🤗 I noticed they have quoted you on this thread when you have specifically requested time and time again for them not to do that, enjoy the peace! 😂

Yes! , I did notice! , however as I have requested multiple times not to tag me because I refuse to converse with them , I was ignoring it!!
perhaps you should follow my example.