Is Harry and his family coming to the UK or not

[Viviennemary]

Nobody seems to know for sure. Why should we care. Maybe he doesn't even know himself yet. He can't seem to do anything without attracting lots of press articles.

That would never work. She'd have to downgrade from Duchess to Countess.

You clearly care a lot, OP 😂

I’m not a fan of H and M but the obsessive posts in the RF threads are batshit crazy.

Harry doesn't have the moral high ground here! He didn't get away because of shameful things. They left to continue being royal, have all the status and privilege, none of the responsibilities, and make money.
Harry and Meghan are royal through and through! Don't cast them as some sort of republican fighters.

Harry didn't leave because he dislikes the institution of the royal family. He supports it and has said so. He left because he wasn't allowed to monetise being royal.

That he can't understand why he wasn't allowed and the two of them continue to confect self-pitying drama (briefing the media that he was in tears over a Ravec decision that has been explained to him over and over is just pathetic) is what makes them both so irritating.

I do think his evident, and understandable, trauma around the press is a huge part of this. He has said something along the lines of that without police protection his children would be constantly followed by photographers in the UK and he won't subject them to that. What he either doesn't understand, or pretends not to, is that press intrusion might be distressing but it isn't a security threat. The police aren't there to stop photographers and the assessments are around safety not privacy. He obviously does think the paparazzi are a genuine danger - and given where that fear comes from, I have huge sympathy - but that's not the objective assessment.

Yet he gathers a group of UK tabloid journalists to a personal WhatsApp group to keep them updated on his whereabouts. We also know he has direct links with similar outlets in the US, providing them with ‘scoops’, think People was the first to announce Harry and his family’s’ visit to the UK. It sounds like he may have moved on from his trauma, but likes to invoke it to meet his own ends. He is the ultimate hypocrite.

You're absolutely right. Plus, he can't apply logo - are the Wales children papped all the time? Do we ever see them going to and from school? Doing their hobbies? He's in this dreadful mindset and it's destructive.

I think if you’re going to accuse other posters of racism, the least you can do is back that up with some evidence. Especially since you admit you don’t read the RF board and haven’t read this thread. How is it obvious?

The problem is that Harry is afraid of something that isn't true. There are agreements with the press that royal children are not photographed in their private lives. We don't see photos of George or Charlotte when they aren't at royal occasions.

Harry has unresolved issues around the press and security that are simply not based in fact but in trauma. There is nothing anyone can do about that but also there is no need for anyone to provide security simply because Harry feels threatened. RAVEC do provide a level of protection appropriate to their security intelligence and have done so ever since Harry left his job as a working royal. Harry thinks that the level isn't sufficient but feelings aren't the same as facts.

Totally agree. And the brutal fact is that lots of people, sadly, carry trauma and fear reactions from past experiences with them, and lots of people would feel much better if they had someone whose job it was to keep them safe at all times. That's not a thing the state can or should pay for on those grounds.

Think of all the people who get attacked and assaulted at work; police, paramedics, doctors, nurses, teachers, care workers etc. What about victims of domestic violence? they can't afford expensive therapy and they have to get back to work to pay the bills. Would they all like armed security? Probably. Instead, they have to get on with it.

You show you have no understanding at all as Harry wants security that his father and brother cannot provide - only the government

@lunde

No you are wrong about that and I see that error repeated here often.

The government leaves RAVEC decision re the Windsors to the subcommittee . It is not the government’s decision .
The sub committee is not one man one vote - it decides by ‘consensus ‘.
This sub committee has representatives from William and Charles .

None of us know the machinations .

However the constant refusal of security is a very bad look for the UK and even worse for the Windsors .
Many people are drawing their own conclusions .

It is not a "constant refusal of security". That is not how RAVEC works. Of course there are reps from the Royal Household, they have to share future plans and diaries! It's the Met plus the security services and counter terror agencies that make the decisions about security. Not some clueless juggling fool in Montecito.
Not "a good look"? We know what Harry considers to be a "good look"- the same level of security as the Head of State and the Heir to the Throne.
It's taxpayers' money and the judgement of people who know, but of course that's not good enough for the high level royals like the Sussexes.
Driven by entitlement and ego. Not facts.

Thank you. I'm not sure about all this basic ignorance about high level security. Either people genuinely struggle to consider evidence or they're just in thrall to the Sussex misinformation machine.

Oh heavens not another one who thinks the RF controls RAVEC.

Apparently. How many times has it been explained now?

@Lunde

In fact the Home office did commission a risk assessment - a proper one -and RAVEC had not done a risk assessment since 2020 .

The home office assessment found that Harry did face increased risk and that there were 6 terrorist plots against him (. This is from memory of a newspaper article )
RAVEC refused the security request

The Windsors should be doing something because it is terrible PR - they had a confederate flag flying at some horse show ( yes I know they apologised). All these things add up .
This is why - not forgetting how they covered up for Andrew and the Epstein links, lied to the country etc- the accusations of racism stick and why the majority of people under 55 are done with them

Not "a good look"? We know what Harry considers to be a "good look"- the same level of security as the Head of State and the Heir to the Throne.

The 'not a good look' thing cracks me up. As if anyone outside Britain gives a toss about the security arrangements of the exiled 5th in line to the British throne.

In fact, even inside Britain most people don't give a shit, contrary to what Harry seems to think.

The home office assessment found that Harry did face increased risk and that there were 6 terrorist plots against him (. This is from memory of a newspaper article )

Could you link to the article?

I'm certain the HO do not make security assessments available to the public.

if that’s the case when the Queen wrote to RAVEC asking for Harry to keep his security in place why didn’t they do it? It’s because the RF has no sway over the decisions RAVEC make. Why is it so hard for people to understand that simple fact.

Good point. H&M (and their supporters) seem to think he's got some sort of special elevated status. If he'd just come, do his self promotion, eat some Nandos and go home, most people would be none the wiser. It's his obsessive self publicity and high level drama that's the problem.

It’s like talking to a wall where feelings are more important than facts.

I’d hazard a guess and say most people don’t care.