William denounced as "workshy" due to lack of royal engagements he performs

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I read this article in the DM which was originally brought to my attention by my MIL, who has a very keen interest in goings-on involving the RF.

'His absences have not gone unnoticed': Norman Baker asks when 'workshy William' is going to step up https://mol.im/a/15908021

I must admit I was surprised to learn that William has attended fewer events than KC and Anne over the last 3 years. I agree with the sentiment that he needs to step up to ease the burden on his father.

It’s not a coincidence; many royalists are simply mirroring the behavior of the british royals and the ROTA members they defend. From blatant lies and double standards, attempt to bait about writing styles and petty personal attacks, they’ve abandoned all pretense of actual argument. Sure there's some nice ones but it's a common pattern to be seen, and no one is blind. It’s a transparent tactic that speaks volumes about the health of this group and the bleak future of the monarchy itself

What British Royal has ever attacked anyone?

@Windsandstars

I agree and have thought the same for along time

The true feeling of the population will be revealed in William’s reign as the aging supporters of the Windsors die off .

There’s talk of conspiracy theories above - my conspiracy theory ? - William wants to end it too. But he’s filling his boots first .

The shift is already happening; the majority of the younger population is either indifferent or actively dislikes them. Their decision to parade Andrew around after his scandals, combined with their history of trying to kill domestic journalism that doesn't serve their narrative, speaks volumes. As serious outlets have noted, the palace credibility in professional circles is on par with North Korean state media (zero). They are already losing the public, which explains the desperate, aggressive push to rewrite history with lies, twist things and use others as scapegoats. Instead of do any job to try to justify the monarchy existence, William and Catherine double down in being lazy.

I had no idea they explicitly called Virginia a liar. That’s even worse than I realized as it’s a direct, public attack on a victim.

What is already common public knowledge is horrific enough, but the pattern of connections involving Mountbatten, Savile, and Epstein being just a few of of many of the sexual offenders close to that family shows something far more systemic and bizarre. We truly are living in crazy times.

It’s such weird behaviour though.

Beatrice's 18th is stand out horrific. She wears Marchesa - Weinstein's wife's company, like Hollywood actresses were influenced by him to do. Bea was given a $21,000 necklace by a Libyan businessman,.....

Prince Andrew hosted Epstein, Maxwell and Weinstein at Royal Lodge - BBC News

Yes, that's a photo and a half that is, and really stands for all that is rotten within the Palace. Who knows Epstein may well have taken QE2 for a spin round the dance floor!

@Windsandstars

I was referring to the statement issued from Buckingham Palace - with the full weight of the institution behind it - describing her accusation as ‘ false and without foundation’

This statement from our head of state no less ( what about concern for affecting the trial?) was never withdrawn despite mealy mouthed statements from William and Charles about ‘victims’ years and years later- a statement made onlyonce the Epstein files gave us all more information. The cover up was out of their control then.

Andrew called Virginia a ‘liar seeking a payout at his expense’ .

I’ve seen similar desperate language from royalists here - before the release of the files.

@Windsandstars

Yes your point about the effect on serious journalism is well made

‘As serious outlets have noted, the palace credibility in professional circles is on par with North Korean state media (zero)’

North Korea seems to pop up from time to time on these threads from certain quarters!! 🤣 ,

tell you what! , why don’t posters try posting about the leaders in that country while there and tell us what happens!!! 🤣

IIRC the guardian fought a 10 year legal battle to have FOI answers re pressure put on government ministers to bend to Charles personal views
The spider memos .

10 years! We all know they interfere - what the hell is Kings consent if not interference before a bill is even debated ! It was confirmation though .

We know they rip us off and are greedy beyond measure but it’s the Epstein / Saville / Mountbatten links and cover up that disturb me

Apologies! I see I have interrupted a nice friendly private conversation!
I will intrude no longer.

Eh? What private conversation?
We are posting on a forum!

Anyone defending that Graham Smith article has clearly lost all interest in “serious journalism”.

Interviewed one guy on a topic, whose soul purpose in life is protesting said topic. No, not biased, not biased at all.

If you think that’s good investigative journalism you like to hop over onto the tax thread where you’ll find a very creative explanation of how to calculate % tax paid.

Let me make something clear here. We post absurd remarks because these people (Graham Smith, Norma Baker) come across as absurd and there is often no way to intelligently respond to the pretzel logic being posted here.

We grow weary. Posters here know damn well that the court circular is a very limited snapshot of just some of the work that working Royals attend to. Just as anyone who we’ve read a job knows that the real work isn’t happening just in meetings.

Posters here are also intelligent enough to understand that you don’t ask your dog how many times they should be fed a day and you don’t ask a professional protestor to weigh in on their favorite topic and get a thoughtful response.

We are also quite accustomed to fielding endless personal attacks on ourselves. It’s fine. We’re fine. But you can’t expect us to stay serious when the discussion gets so … downright ridiculous!

Also, I’m not actually a royalist. But I know you meant me so whatev.

It seems that anyone like Andrew Lownie, Norman Baker, are just rubbished because they are not of a royalist persuasion. They are called 'absurd'... well, I hate to tell you but there are a lot of people out there who don't consider them to be absurd or 'pretzel logic; Or downright ridiculous
Maybe try reading their books. You cannot pick on a clickbait DM article and assume from that those who do investigate the Royal family are 'absurd'.

For instance Norman Baker's book 'And What Do You Do?' has 1,600 reviews on Amazon and is 4.4 out of 5.
On GoodReads there are 1,066 reviews averaging 4.07
On Audible 260 reviews averaging 4.6

But absurd and ridiculous... okaaaay....

@simpsonthecat I haven't read Entitled but my understanding is that Lownie is a royalist. Which is the point I was making earlier today. To cover up the truth about Andrew and Fergie was in no way helping the monarchy.

Yes. From what I gather about his books, his interviews, podcasts etc. He wants transparency and change and accountability. Really, there is not much wrong with that surely...? . He believes in a constitutional monarchy

Yes this is what he has said: "What drives me is that I just hate bullies" Andrew Lownie.

Brilliant.

Of course the Amazon reviews are going to be good 😂 it's fans that buy them. No one is going to think oh I know I will buy this to read at the pool. I'm surprised you give this as evidence of popularity.

You obviously missed GoodReads and Audible reviews. And where is it fact that 'fans' buy the book (fans of who?)
If you mean fans of Norman Baker, how come then that 'Spare' got rubbish reviews, were they 'fans' of Harry who then didn't like the book? 😂

I saw someone on the beach the other day reading it, or was it Entitled... can't remember.

You don't understand that I didn't need to comment on the other two? The same applies. 😂

No I didn't come to the story late. I just dispute the fact it was just down to the NOTW that broke everything.

I think TNOTW and the MoS did a sterling job in lifting the lid but it's utterly depressing that it took the royals years to do anything meaningful about him - in fact even bestowing regular gongs and dress-ups through those years.

When they finally acted it was because they had to in response to third party revelations we still might never have seen and even then it was simply back foot reaction, fire-fighting and a process of testing the water for as little as they thought the public might tolerate.

It's gone a bit quiet on releasing the British files. I still hope it'll happen.