PR disasters Thread 17

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Can’t see a new thread so thought I would start a new one to continue discussing the grifters

Plus Meghan's rejection of Sophie as a mentor was unbelievably rude.

I’m glad BP have made it clear that Harry has been offered somewhere to stay as usual, and that security is nothing to do with them but likely the same as usual, certainly not enhanced by the king. And that Charles may or may not be able to fit them in. This crazy spinning must be infuriating for those on the end of it. Using the Briddish press that Harry so despises, to try and get his own way, ugh.

Sophie was very close to QE2 and may not forgive H and M for the hurt they caused her.

Thats so funny:)

They can come over if they want, but they arent royal, have no loyalty to the crown, and certainly cant have any sentimental wish to re connect, after spending so many years making sure they are as unpleasant as possible as publicly as possible.

None of the royal family should feel any obligation to meet or feel pressured into any comms with them.

No doubt H & M will portray thenselves as victims, ' wont they think of the children' wailing and it will all be incredibly distasteful. They both have the hide of a rhino though, so will barge on regardless.

Just shows how desperate they are, to go from “you know what you did, apologise to my wife” to “there’s no way I can bring my children to the UK” to “if invited to Sandringham, Harry might come, depends who’s there” to “ok, forget about security, won’t one of you please please please have your photo taken with us, please? Pa? Not even if I spin a load of old shite about cousins wanting to know each other?”

It's rock bottom. It's an endless grift. How is it not exhausting? They could have such a lovely life. Quit Montecito. Move to somewhere less commercial in the US or their place in Portugal. They have enough money to live, educate their children, set their children up if they want to. How has it never become too much for them ?

I have no idea.

But I would bet anyone here £10 M and the Kids don't turn up in July.

This is the delicious bit.

PH twisting himself into a pretzel to justify taking the family over despite Thai time last year doing a 30min BBC interview saying it’s not safe without full armed security.

Nothing has changed. He gets the appropriate unarmed security, As Ever, when on non royal duties and non royal property.

He has always As Ever been offered accommodation on royal properties which has armed security. In the past he hasn’t take ln it.

This year he is trying to spin this as a special invitation from KC3 - when it’s the usual facilities made available to him.

If there is a private family meeting with KC3 - that’s exactly how it will be. Private not public and that must deeply frustrate H&M.

How on earth can they get the royal star dust to monetise if there are no public announcements or confirmation by KC3 and no photos of them all together or even all the Harkle’s frolicking in a palace?

Even if KC3, W&C and kids all went to LHR with a welcome home banner to greet them and they all spent weeks together in Balmoral / Sandringham etc - I still don’t think that there is enough royal adjacent star dust to secure any brand deals and monetise this for H&M. I think their brand is dead at the core and nothing can revive it. All by their own hands, words actions - squandered.

They are the Ratner Royals now.

The reporting by Tom Sykes is painting a very different picture to the Rebecca English article, according to him there has been a huge fallout between the King and William, William, Catherine and the Children refused to attend the lunch after Trooping the Colour because William is absolutely furious that Charles has been the one facilitating the return of H&M, he says Charles is paying for the trip and is underwriting their security from his personal funds, he says William will never set foot In Sandringham again if Harry and Meghan are invited, which report is closer to the truth?

Full article here

https://theroyalist.substack.com/p/exclusive-raging-william-shuns-charles

Sophie is no fool and has the measure of Meghan.

If Tom Sykes take is close to the truth, good for William taking a stand. I would well believe KC is funding these two grifters security.

OK, so the Times article is Charles wanting to make it known he's not paying for private security for them. That doesn't mean he's not paying their travel costs. So maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle. Can believe that William is furious though.

They want to use the Royal Family - pictures, videos, Instagram etc - to boost their floundering status as the only time they earned really well was when they were royally adjacent.

Problem is that the royals know that any conversation or meeting they have with Harry and Meghan will be sold for cash or used as content in the next Netflix/book deal. So there is no trust.

For people who claim to be so concerned about security they seem to be really keen to blab the details of this trip to whip up a media frenzy (bidding war?)

According to the Neil Sean podcast - The Dan Wooten/Tom Sykes reports of William "storming out" is a total fabrication. The Wales family went to the lunch but left a little early because Charlotte had something to go to in Windsor.

Charles is playing tough though - the Sussex family can stay in an empty apartment at Buckingham Palace or St James - but there is no invitation to Windsor, Sandringham or Balmoral.

Personally I think it's more likely that William and Kate would turn up at Taylor Swift's wedding than Meghan and the kids would come to the UK.

William has had many years now to think through every angle of the Harry disaster. I think he's clear in his own mind that his relationship with his brother is irreparable. I think he's already decided he's not going to invite Harry to his own coronation. I think he's 100% decided that Harry should never represent the monarch or the UK ever again.

But I also think he'll be able to see that it's not for him to tell his Dad what relationship he can have with his own son. I think he'll know that he wouldn't want George telling him what he can/cannot do in his private, personal relationship with Charlotte or Louis. So, he'll stay away for any private family meetings but, as long as it remains behind closed doors, he'll shrug and ignore.

I do believe he will have told Charles that he doesn't want Charles to talk about the Wales family with Harry and I believe Charles will respect that.

All complete supposition, of course, but I've been a royal watcher for a long time; you do get a sense of their characters if you're paying attention! And I by no means have a completely uncritical view of William. If he had to deal with this disaster in the spur of the moment with no time to think, I could imagine him lashing out in anger but he has had time to think, years to think and plan and be careful about it.

In his calmer moments, he might even realise that a disaster of this nature happens in this family every few generations. I think the fact that it was Harry that kicked off makes it less likely George, Charlotte or Louis will fall into any of the traps Harry has fallen into because they've got front row seats to this.

I think it’s unlikely that BP would deny Charles is paying for security if he is, that’s asking for trouble. Tom Sykes comes out with any old shite imo. I also think it’s highly unlikely that Charles would roll over now when he hasn’t already. He could have seen them in USA and didn’t, that was only 6 weeks ago. And you can tell the Sussexes are not back in the fold by the constant leaking. Keeping their traps shut will no doubt be the first condition of any arrangement to see KC3. They are still at the stage of trying to manipulate Charles into giving them what they want, using the press. (I think.)

The Sussexes are ‘emotionally blackmailing’ the royal family. Rebecca English has also been lurking here, with possibly Alison Boshoff.

‘It feels like emotional blackmail’: As Harry and Meghan announce return to Britain with Archie and Lilibet, insiders say they fear decision to bring children is nothing more than 'manipulation' of Royals and a bid for huge global publicity

https://www.dailymail.com/lifestyle/article-15914671/Harry-Meghan-children-return-UK-Archie-Lilibet-manipulation-cousins.html

ARCHIVE LINK:
https://archive.ph/ECTvV

I’m just reading the archived article now. There are some very familiar arguments in it, as well as the feeling of the inevitable media-stoked backlash brewing against Brand Sussex. What bizarre games these ‘royal editors’ and columnists play.

Mostly I feel sorry for Birmingham and veterans watching the Sussex manipulations and the pointless spectacle of the Sussex egos being stroked in case Harry has a tantrum.

And if he has a tantrum, so what? Let him. He knows once William is king it’s game over. They are panicking and it’s showing.

Spot on.
Their greed and dishonesty hasn't made them billionaire superstars. They thought they would be the Obamas and the Clooneys, feted and celebrated. Well, those couples have chosen a side and it's not the Sussex one.
H&M are just akin to those Real Housewives, with a veneer of social status and class. The reality is different.

But they could have been. Their stupidity and victimhood was their downfall. Oprah could have been so very very different. Foolish foolish people. But they won’t see it. They will blame everyone else, but themselves. Zero pity.

What a weird old mess.

In terms of flogging her crap, probably the only people why buy it are her strange stans - and they seem to hate the rest of the royal family.

That M&H need royal adjacency is not something their tiny minds will be able to compute sanely. There will be some cracking ‘explanations’ incoming, each one madder than the last.

🤣 Princess Anne is the least likely person on earth to do this.
It is indeed never the fault of the children, but it is very common for family fallouts to mean cousins never know each other. In most cases it's no cause for comment. The only reason THIS is cause for comment is because of who the cousins are!
Royals usually stay close knit as they can trust each other but that is no longer the case with H&M so off they trot.
In the olden days, Harry would have been bumped off several years ago and Meghan would be abroad desperately failing to build an army to challenge Archie's Crown.

I’ll say again Harry is George Duke of Clarence!

It kind of worries me though, they've got a history of poor mental health/substance abuse and they're clearly delusional.
It's not turned out how they wanted, and I think this could be worse than the usual sobbing on the floor or somesuch.
I wish they would get proper help and go with it.