PR Disasters thread 16.

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Meghan and Harry the grift that keeps on grifting. Long may they continue. Better than any soap opera on the telly.

Harry and Meghan to bring children to UK

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/7991925869829234

The finances are worse than I thought

Telegraph report here: https://archive.is/nxyDN

He has been assured that adequate security provision will be in place, and it is not yet known whether his father, the King, will have time to meet the children.

Reading between the lines, I think there's a lot of spin and not much has actually changed.

Having read Tom Sykes' comments over the last few months on various issues, I don't think he's particularly reliable.
The best one was when he said the King's visit to Golders Green was because of Harry's intervention on anti-Semitism; totally ignoring the King's long-term support of British Jews, including over 10 years as patron of World Jewish Relief, patronage of Council of Christians and Jews, and Community Security Trust, and making a very welcome visit to Heaton Park Synagogue in Manchester in October after the horrible attack there.

If it is true that they're all coming, clearly the leaks are coming from the Sussex side. Yet his supporters say that Harry can't inform RAVEC of his plans in advance because everything will be leaked?

Looks like Katie Hopkins here. Weirdly.

It's not Tom Sykes' story, it's Bronte Coy's, though TS thinks her source is impeccable. He was just in a newsroom with her and that Mark Dolan fellow, and she told them what was about to go live on the News.au account.

His issue with Charles is that he always seems to be one or more steps behind on taking decisive action on H&M (and AMW) and I agree with him on this, although not on everything he says. He absolutely does not want H&M coming back and being given anything that smacks of half in half out or any kind of royal endorsement, and like the rest of us, does not understand why they are still on the royal website.

I think there are PR benefits all round if KC and H&M have a private reunion and meet once or twice a year (privately) for the rest of his life. Anything more than that would be a net negative in PR for the RF.

I think 'no contact' will continue to be the case for William and Harry (because of William rather than Harry). I think it's possible that, at some stage, Harry will start putting out 'leaks' that he wishes his brother would be warmer and more caring, forgiving, etc. But he's focusing on KC for now.

Well, I hope Meghan enjoys her holiday to Birmingham.

If it's true, foolish Charles.

H&M are a middle-aged man and woman who have slagged off the entire UK and its people, in a nasty, untrue way. It takes about 5-10 minutes to do a basic calculation on the back of a fag packet that only 8-9% of the total British population currently vote for Reform (for example), and within that number there will be varied reasons for doing so. Frankly, that until slur of H&M's is resolved I think Harry should remain unwelcome in any official or royal circles, including the Invictus machinery that was created by the Paralympic Committee and the Royal Foundation.

And yes, Harry. Meghan - and you - DID indicate that the royal family and the UK were a racist family and a racist country. And you accepted an award and made a fake-umentary about it for $$$. The Oprah transcript is still online, word for word. Your stupid Harry & Meghan series is still available, every misleading and piss-taking frame. Interviews, comments, musings, in your own words, both of you.

And another thing, Harry: the Court of Appeal may have upheld the Home Secretary's right to proscribe Palestine Action, but the judges also said their ruling does not affect lawful protest in support of the Palestinian cause. So protest against the IDF will not be banned in Birmingham.

(Interestingly in terms of current geopolitics, Trump's furious with Bibi over Beirut. And I doubt H can keep up re: his foot-in-mouth habits.)

I suppose a trip to the UK to see Grandpapa will provide a little royal star dust to their failing brand.

There’ll no doubt be a brief interview afterwards, possibly to US breakfast TV about how wonderful it was for A and L to see their grandpapa and how excited they are, at the possibility next time of meeting their cousins, if only certain members of their family would allow it!!

They are so desperate now I wouldn’t put anything past them! They are trying to get their foot back in the door before William takes over. Because without the Royal link a future selling Royal trinkets on QVC beckons.

If they were to come where would they stay? An apartment made available at Buckingham Palace (or, less likely, Windsor - I don’t think William would welcome them anywhere near his turf)?
Unlikely they would be offered to stay at eg Clarence House or other residence.
Otherwise it’s a hotel. Which would be pretty humiliating for Meghan and family.

I imagine journalists are already looking at the Waleses' calendar, but I would bet it will be chock full of engagements for the dates the Sussexes are here. No way will their paths cross.

Agree with @IcedPurple that Charles will meet them but privately with no photos. And I'd advise him to get all visitor phones put in those blocking pouches for the duration of their time on a royal site. They literally do not understand what 'privacy' means! And are leakier than a sieve.

I would say NB:

The source said: “Harry says he’s coming back before the end of the year with the children with the express intent to reunite with his dad.
“The way in which he said it seems to make it clear that he believes that this is happening and will pave the way for a longer term peaceful relationship between them.”

But also:

It is not yet known whether his father, the King, will have time to meet the children.

So more wishful thinking / manifesting from Harry, and also setting up the “poor me, he can’t even make time to see his grandchildren” when Charles says no. (If he hasn’t already said no.)

It occurs to me that if they are still playing these games five years from now, they could send Archie to board at Eton. George would probably have left or be just about to by then. But if he was boarding, immediate family back in California, how heartless would it make the Wales/KC look if they didn’t invite him home for weekends/half term etc when they live literally a short walk away.
Brilliant emotional blackmail/back door reconciliation fodder to be had that way.

Even dimwit Harry knows that once William is King he has absolutely zero chance of returning to the Royal fold . And the titles will go .
This is nothing but PR spin and leaks in the hope that KC will agree to a reunion .
One of the ( many) problems KC has is that H and M are blabbermouths .

True, though it also looks massively hypocritical on M's part to complain of the cold stiff unloving racist British culture she had to rescue her kids from and then send one to a classic stiff upper lip British boarding school. But hypocrisy doesn't seem to trouble her!

It's been reported that every time Harry has come over, Charles has offered to have him stay at a Royal residence and every time he's declined. Will be interesting to see whether he does this time!

I doubt they'll send them to boarding schools until the 16 - 18 year old age bracket (Spanish and Dutch royals did something similar I believe). But Eton will simply refuse them entry if that suits W&C.

I'm pretty sure it's not actually that easy to go between the US and British (English) education systems as they are very different. Maybe they'll send them to an international school to make a transfer easier one day.

So somebody says somebody else has a "really good source", the rags get some clickbait, and H&M get their names published once again - not unlike the annual will they/won't they go to Balmoral or wherever

Given they have no other opportunities left I can just about see Harry at least trying for this, but whether it'll happen is anyone's guess ... though if it doesn't that could well be another round of "whose fault it was"

Either way I still think there's no way Meghan would allow him to bring the kids alone though. What if he refused to take them back ...?

It's not Tom Sykes' story, it's Bronte Coy's, though TS thinks her source is impeccable. He was just in a newsroom with her and that Mark Dolan fellow, and she told them what was about to go live on the News.au account.

Fair enough; I didn't watch the video, just went to look for other sources.

I get the emails from his Substack, and also see some videos elsewhere. I stand by my assessment of his reliability (e.g. he mixes up RAVEC decisions with IPP).

Nothing surprises me anymore. Bottom line is, H and Meg are starting to look absolutely ridiculous on the world stage and it's not a good look for the RF. Business is business and if it means bringing them back, Will and C will have to put up with it

In either of the fairly spacious empty London homes (apartment & 'cottage'?) of Beatrice and Eugenie? They're in secure 'palace' locations. B&E spend more times at their other homes in the Cotswolds and Portugal.

I'm sure Beatrice would leave them a few Duchy teabags.

There is zero benefit to the Royal Family. The family estrangement has been priced into the polling data and the firm is consistently polling well above failing H&M.

Any private meeting with H&M will never remain private. H&M will blab to the media and what they say has a decent chance of not being true. If KC3 wants to expose himself in this manner, that IMHO, will violate KC3's obligations to the Crown, his obligations to the armed forces and veterans as well as his obligation to his firstborn, who has been continuously attacked by his secondborn. But again, KC3 has always recklessly indulged H and is unlikely to change form in his late 70s.

IMHO, William has no reason to meet H so will not. Willaim and Catherine are by far the most popular members of the Royal Family and they gain absolutely nothing from exposing themselves and their children to "Uncle Scar".

But would she leave them with enough jam? Sorry, fruit spread?

I think H & M looking ridiculous is much better (for the RF) than them looking credible whilst lobbing insults and accusations at them. Best of all would have been if they'd been quiet and dignified but the ship has sailed on that one.

The worst thing would be if it looked like the RF endorsed or supported their ridiculous behaviour.

Blimey. It’s only this morning that I decided to go home a week later than planned which now means I’ll be here for the circus if it’s true the Hameg circus will be in town whilst I still am.

I can’t wait to read about it all as it happens instead of hours after the event due to time zones.