PR Disasters, chapter 13

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Meg and Harry and all their PR shenanigans

Trigger Warning: this thread may contain talk about sleeves.

I’m pretty sure MM would be able to put it into context and tell the children that having them children made her very happy during difficult times. I know she’s a lot but I won’t believe even for one minute that having her children didn’t bring her joy during those 7 years and in this instance what she said has really been made a meal of.

My mother displays many narcissistic traits. She is also very clever. But she does stupid things, lies about easy to debunk things because as a narc she can't stop herself. I see a lot of the same thing with Meghan.

Tbf, they are perfect for each other. I'm no Meg fan but she gets a tougher time than him. He's hideous and always has been. If he didn't marry Meg. He would end up with someone equally as horrible

Well said.

I agree

I think that there was a bit of bait and switch... Harry's idea of "freedom" I think was a large rural property, charity work based on his interests (military, children, Diana and any opportunity to play polo), and a few red carpet galas with their new celebrity chums. Meghan however, wanted to be acknowledged in Hollywood - a mogul making TV and films (like Oprah) a lifestyle businesswoman like Gwyneth... however the big-bucks offers that came their way revolved around dishing the dirt on the RF and they did not see the danger of burning their bridges in the RF as they were convinced in 2020 that they were bigger than the RF.

They could have lived a very comfortable life if they had followed the template of Princess Madeleine of Sweden who lived in the US for 6 years in a mansion in a gated community in Florida. Her husband works in financial services and she got an allowance from the King. She did some charity work and also did a bit of media work - lifestyle features and soft soap interviews mostly - but absolutely no dishing the dirt. It meant that she kept her royal adjacency and invitations to the big events such as Nobel dinners, Sweden's National Day, the annual holiday etc etc.

Couldn't agree more. I used to amuse myself by following her verbal slip-ups, which were legion. She uses "archetypes" when she means "stereotypes", she says "codify" when she clearly means "decode", she once said "Harry and I operate like concentric circles" while making the shape of intersecting circles with her fingers. When she was in her female founder stage, she threw around big-business terminology that she clearly did not understand.

In almost any situation she speaks like somebody who is paid by the word, managing to never say very much of anything, especially when the topic is complicated or the notion slippery.

It's not a crime to be of only very ordinary intellect, but when you are also at pains to set yourself up as a global thought leader, people can't resist calling you out.

That's past by its date - who the heck is going to buy that 😂 serves these speculators right!

Princess Madeleine's husband was presumably earning squillions from his day job, which allowed her to do that - neither H or M was working at the time they left the WRF, and they had taken extreme umbrage at the suggestion that she might carry on working as an actress after marriage. So, as usual, it all comes back to money.

She shouldn't have said it. She shouldn't have clearly stated that these were 7 terrible years, as she has 2 healthy children. She's so focussed on being a victim, she doesn't consider what the broader impact of her negative outlook is.

What I am about to say could be seen as intellectual snobbery. But - hear me out before you report my post as an Ad hominem attack.

I think , even by his mother , H has never been thought academically clever. The 2 Ds, the lack of intellectual curiosity during school , the various reports he wouldn't pass the exams to rise higher in military ranks.

Now , I think being academic isn't a virtue, it's to some extent innate. I do think that higher education , does , even at the most ground floor level , teach analysis . Harry seems to base all his arguments on personal experience. Are they valid? I think so , but only if tempered with more thoughtfulness and deeper thinking. & this is why I think H gets annoyed when people question him , because he possibly hasn't got the tools to engage in a decent argument. So he falls back on "right?" in interviews or appearing to think that because of who he is what he says is worth listening to.

I may have explained that badly. To be clear there are other ways of being "intelligent". Some of the people I know who have done best in their careers don't have double firsts etc - but they have a way of dealing with people , street smarts , common sense , and a work ethic. So I am not saying intellect is the best thing , but an ability to see outside your own experience / bubble / is something valuable.

Similarly to his uncle PH ‘brains’ are in his cock. QE2 said he as ‘too on love with MM’ - that’s the polite way of describing him as ‘cznt struck’ - the sex face, the ridiculous groin position of his first dance, the crotch grabbing - he will do, say, feel and believe anything to ensure he gets his fix.

Something happened - look at all of the pictures - Maria is caught in the background of several and the body language is angry/upset.

When Harry and Meghan re-enter the church all the bridesmaids and pages are arranged except George and Charlotte - Maria is holding onto them and they don't join the procession as Maria hands them to their parents. George looks to be upset and crying.

I'm not sure what the purpose of posting the picture where Harry went back to speak to Maria/other staff at all. It looks like it's meant to be a dig at the Wales' children.

I agree with you. Diana mocked herself as she wasn't academic at all but she never tried to be. She had so much else to offer. She was whip smart and naturally so likeable.

I'm from the Irish education system which is tough but honestly, you have to be incredibly dumb to leave school with the grades H got.

He really has absolutely nothing going for him. Zero charisma, warmth, wit, intelligence but main problem is, he's too stupid to realise it

I understand that Charlotte and George left with their parents as part of the Royal and family procession and for the photos that came. I can see Harry taking this as some kind of slight to his status.

It's really hard to know as some years his companies have made losses. His personal wealth is estimated at $5-10 million so a lot less than Harry's personal wealth.

They also lived in a more modest mansion when they first moved before upgrading to a larger one after a few years. Even then, they never purchased anything the size Montecito.

Look at Charlotte's dress, why was it so bad?

My take on this is that whilst H may be inclined to lazyness and being aimless he didn't get through military flying training (which despite all the rumours he did, unlike many graduates) or his later command upgrade by being completely thick, or having a low IQ....but he benefitted from being in a structured environment, and no doubt having someone, possibly a mature SNCO, kicking his backside.

Like many others who went through the military he eventually left that environment in his early thirties but unlike many others, who built succesful second careers, H seemed he had no real plan, other than being a Royal and seemingly being with MM.

I suspect as a result he then regressed to the seemingly lazy, aimless individual we see now....add in maybe a bit of Californian weed and he is where he is now.

It would have been interesting to see how he would have turned out if he'd left the Forces and at least dabbled in a structured civilian job, even if only briefly, before MM came along, but we'll never know.

There are posters on here who report regretting having children, or say having children has been the most difficult thing in their life.

It might be a taboo but it certainly happens. I'm not saying this is the case, just that I can believe for one minute that children are not for all, a blessing.

Harry is suited to the aristo role of the younger son as a bit of a buffoon who loves life in the country combined with occasionally falling out of Gentleman's clubs in London sloshed with his mates. He's a Jolly Japes type aristo that used to be able to exist but doesn't any longer.

Boy Mulcaster in Brideshead type.

Harry would have liked to have no boring old duty or constraints but lived in a nice pile in the country somewhere where everyone calls him Sir/ The Duke, and then turn up for family parties and gigs in uniform to be feted by the Plebs.

Just because you juggle some balls and smack people on the bum doesn't mean you don't want all the trappings of privilege.

In fact he only gets to pay the Buffoon because of his privilege.

George is clearly identified in this picture.

He liked living in a box basically - well he had one now.

It's her maybe saying look at what I was subjected to ...waaah! The Wales were difficult then ...waaah! I wasn't respected ...waaah!

I think Harry actually can display some of that easy charm that Diana possessed. More so than William, who has a more guarded persona. I think this is why the whiny self absorbed idiot was able to be hidden from public when he was a working royal. When he was carefully managed he was just put in situations where his jokey persona seemed charming and warm.

But taken out of a carefully managed PR structure and he has exposed himself as the man child is his.

It's such a shame because I think he senses he was good at a lot of the RF stuff, and can't understand why that hasn't translated outside the RF.

The fact that Harry goes back to speak with Maria suggests this was not planned. If you look at the video of them leaving the church. Obviously the focus is on H&M but there are things in the background

1.31 - you see Maria bringing up the rear at the back with the Wales kids - Prince Phillip momentarily scowls (but not clear what he is looking at). The Wales kids are clearly held back as the RF were a long way behind and there is no reason that George and Charlotte couldn't have been collected by their parents at the end of the aisle.

2.10-2.23 George looks very glum and rubs his eyes as though crying.

4.17 RF standing at the chapel door. George won't come out and Camilla turns to him seemingly concerned

4.46 William rubs something (tears?) from George's face in the background without letting go of his hand.

5.06 George half hides behind William looking sad while William rubs his hand with his thumb in a comforting gesture

I think intellectually she's probably about average. No more no less. She did manage to get a degree from a respected uni, but she's shown absolutely no intellectual curiosity and frankly comes across as rather vapid. The only context in which she might be seen as clever is in contrast to her husband, and frankly that ain't hard. The mere fact that she married him shows she's nothing special. Clever women don't marry dumb men.