PR Disasters, chapter 13

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Meg and Harry and all their PR shenanigans

Trigger Warning: this thread may contain talk about sleeves.

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How very interesting! I wonder if there's been some internal strife over this card? I bet BA is sick of being publicly associated with MM, and her need for adoration by cabin crew!

That’s not really what I was talking about.

My point was that some of the discussion is starting to cross into obsession tracking flights, airport locations, landing times, anniversary timelines and reconstructing someone’s movements across countries to try and catch them out.

Yes, Meghan shared details herself, but there’s still a difference between seeing publicly shared information and turning it into a forensic investigation. Most people see a post and move on; they don’t build detailed timelines around there movements.

And honestly, your response kind of proves my point. The focus stopped being the charity event or the cause itself and became a deep dive into Meghan’s whereabouts, schedule and social media activity. That level of fixation is exactly why Harry talks about security and paranoia around them in the first place.

Can you honestly say if this was a group of people doing this if it was Kate you would be okay with it? We would all be saying its unhinged, obsessive etc.

No.
The problem about security is that Harry wants limitessl UK taxpayer funded security, on his whim.
Meanwhile they don't protect themselves in the most basic way.
They overshare because they want the headlines and are desperate to make money.
Don't shoot the messenger.

No - this is a new development, but it’s nothing to do with Meghan. BA updated its general conditions of carriage at the start of May to include this requirement, along with other airlines like KLM and Qantas.

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/british-airways-photography-flights-cabin-crew-b2967992.html

Can you honestly say if this was a group of people doing this if it was Kate you would be okay with it? We would all be saying its unhinged, obsessive etc.

No we wouldn’t - people do this with the royals and celebrities all the time. There’s often footage of William, Kate and their children exiting a helicopter at KP filmed by random passer-bys and posted online. There was huge speculation of whether the Wales holidayed on someone’s yacht last summer leading people to track yacht movements and journalists actually fly out to Greece to quiz the locals. Taylor Swift’s plane fights are tracked all the time. This is now the new normal behaviour for the global online population.

(There was a good article about it a while back in one of the broadsheets about how the internet and the wealth of online information has enabled all sorts people to become hobbyist forensic investigators. They solve crimes, locate road accident sites, and track celebrities and fact - their PR)

I gather that's a recent change to BA's Social Media Policy/T&Cs..

I have no skin in that game anymore but it's a change I agree with.

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We are a bit obsessed with them on this thread granted.
But it's obsessive scrutiny of what they put out into public.

We're also obviously just idle gossips passing the time, and not plotting sinister things, so hardly worth scolding us. Unless to suggest I really should complete that report instead of gossiping on the Internet. Which is true.

But Meg is the the gift that keeps giving for us here. Hence thread #13.

And I can see #14/15/16 coming very soon...

(There was a good article about it a while back in one of the broadsheets about how the internet and the wealth of online information has enabled all sorts people to become hobbyist forensic investigators. They solve crimes, locate road accident sites, and track celebrities and fact - their PR)

This isn’t the article I was thinking off, but here’s one from the Guardian that makes exactly the same points.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/25/internet-amateur-detectives-social-media-true-crime

That level of fixation is exactly why Harry talks about security and paranoia around them in the first place.

They aren't paranoid.

As I mentioned above (and you ignored) Meghan happily shares photos of her private family home, and shares information about her travel details. She and Harry frequently leave their children on another continent, seemingly without a bother.

That's not how people 'paranoid' about security behave.

In any case, as a private citizen resident in California, Harry's 'security' is his problem. Not that of the British taxpayer.

Is Harry paranoid that if his wife posts videos of their home and children and her travel arrangements on social media then middle aged women will gossip about the content on munsnet?

If so. He's not paranoid. He's right.

Turns out you’re making a forensic analysis of peoples interest in Meg and Harry….on a Meg and Harry thread?

You get how insane that looks?

You seem to be obsessively monitoring this thread it seems! 🤔
do you not have concern about the privacy of the people Meghan is continually posting on sm , opened up to unfair scrutiny, or is only Meghan entitled to privacy.
and your last point is a joke ! Catherine is subjected to scrutiny and criticism constantly and in depth on this very board! You know this !

Everything Meghan posts has intention. She invades her own privacy to convey a message about herself. Meghan is selling herself. That's ultimately what all of her instagram, all of her arranged pap shots, and all of her public appearances are in aid of - the selling of herself as whatever persona she is taking on in that moment - and there are many varying and contradictory personas she takes on. We are not obliged to buy what she's selling us and we can question it. That's the price of being a public figure asking the public to believe in them. That is absolutely the price of being a quasi political figure who wants to bring about a massive change to how social media operates, uses the guises of charity to further her own personal brand, and is being given massive political platforms (using tax payer's money) on which to do this. You have fallen for Harry's lie that accountability is fixation. It's not. But Harry would like you to think that, because he has never liked to be accountable for his misdemeanours.

As to Catherine (not Kate), if she behaved in any way like Meghan Markle, then I am sure the questions would be many and varied and the criticism as severe, and that would be fine. Luckily for the RF, she doesn't.

Ps a supporter of Meghan, openly critical of Catherine ( not Kate) and William using that username 🙄

Spot on 👏 👏 👏

Quite.

Does @LipglossAndLies reckon that we're all preparing to fly out to Montecito in order to stalk Meghan and her family? Or what?

@IcedPurple "That's not how people 'paranoid' about security behave."

Just so , and I would add , Private citizens ( which is what H&M now are ) who are paranoid about security do not also write about Taliban casualties as pieces on a chess board , in what was always going to be a book with huge sales , nor do they criticise the likes of Trump , Putin and the Israeli state very publicly because they have a soapbox by virtue of who their Dad is.

I was at an event last week and I met Lady Sarah Chatto. No fuss, no entourage. She was friendly and polite. She lives a completely private life, even though her mother was a Princess, and her parents' marriage dissected by the media, then and now.
Harry and Meghan would not like to live as privately as she does. They seek publicity, constantly.

As @Serenster has pointed out BAs new social media policy has been in force for a few weeks now and has zero/nothing/nil to do with MM and/or that card..

One POV here:

https://confessionsofatrolleydolly.com/2026/04/30/british-airways-bans-passengers-filming-cabin-crew/

And this is the crux of their campaigning. Words on the internet. Critical words. Which they want to equate to actual, physical danger and actual bodily harm. Especially when those words relate to themselves. Actually only when those words relate to themselves, given they have never once condemned the activities of the Sussex Squad, who have actually gone beyond words online and entered the real world, eg, their confrontation with Tom Bower.

Let's see how long these two last on the board.

If Harry is paranoid, it's not the fault of the press, the public or the UK media.