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AMW continuing his effort to end the monarchy part 4

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simpsonthecat · 08/05/2026 22:01

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JSMill · Yesterday 17:23

Lalgarh · Yesterday 15:13

Isn't George already marked to go to Eton? I read that Katherine didn't want that but she's been overruled by William

I honestly cannot imagine W overruling C, particularly on issues regarding the dcs.

bluegreygreen · Yesterday 17:41

There hasn't been any announcement about his school yet. I suspect they may leave it until the summer.

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 18:06

Several months ago there was a poster who insisted that George is too thick for Eton . They claimed insider knowledge!

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 18:07

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 18:06

Several months ago there was a poster who insisted that George is too thick for Eton . They claimed insider knowledge!

There always seems to be a poster with inside knowledge lately! 🙄

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · Yesterday 18:12

simpsonthecat · Yesterday 16:28

Lol, yes, I think you're right there! I hadn't thought of that!
And they were of the newspaper era and no internet etc so there is far more that we know now about the Yorks

They were being talked about because it was all ' Oh poor George Vi having to take on the burden because of that nasty American woman hypnotising his entirely innocent brother' The real reason he was bumped from the top just b ( Nazi sympathiser at best, traitor at worst) have been largely swept under the carpet . The AMW affair makes them and the various governments look bad so there will be a herculean effort to forget about it. I think George will be the last King. I don't know why. I thought it when he was born.

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 22:41

simpsonthecat · Yesterday 12:32

I think they will be gone in my lifetime. I’m in my 60’s.

I don't think they will be gone in my lifetime (older than you) or my DC's lifetime. Maybe not even GC's lifetime! No political party backs dismantling the Monarchy, too much of a political hot potato, they could lose elections on that one issue.
Support for the Monarchy has fallen to the lowest ever, 51%. It needs to be less than that for change to happen
It is then said that if it fell less than that it would take a decade for political pressure to actually force a referendum
If it was a 'yes', the Constitution would then need to be rewritten. Then with Scotland, NI and Wales possibly wanting to become independent, that would take 5-10 years to iron out.

The Monarchy is not going anywhere. I am for change, big change. A complete overhaul. That's all I can hope for in mine or my DCs lifetimes.

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Keeping this strictly to the UK and ignoring the Commonwealth.

It would take cross-party consensus to agree to a different way of appointing the UK's Head of State. Who.would be elligible, when would the vote be held in relation to other elections.

It would require decisions on what the HoS's powers would be, what their role would be, what legislative oversight had etc.

It would require establishing who the army reported to.

Can you see the miserable mob we currently have leading the main political parties being able to hammer out an aggreement? Or eben be trusted to appoint people who would do what is best for the country? In a non-partisan way - by which I mean, avoiding attempts to ensure that their party had a baked-in advantage?

It really is't as simple as "get rid of the lot of them" republicanism.

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 22:45

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · Yesterday 18:12

They were being talked about because it was all ' Oh poor George Vi having to take on the burden because of that nasty American woman hypnotising his entirely innocent brother' The real reason he was bumped from the top just b ( Nazi sympathiser at best, traitor at worst) have been largely swept under the carpet . The AMW affair makes them and the various governments look bad so there will be a herculean effort to forget about it. I think George will be the last King. I don't know why. I thought it when he was born.

I agree. I think W sees the absurdity of his role and will push for plans to find a different way of doing things, so tjat his grandkids don't have this responsibility he and young George have had foisted on them.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 23:23

Rhaidimiddim · Yesterday 22:45

I agree. I think W sees the absurdity of his role and will push for plans to find a different way of doing things, so tjat his grandkids don't have this responsibility he and young George have had foisted on them.

It also didn’t help the Wallace was sleeping with a high level Nazi !

MyAutumnCrow · Today 07:58

Decacaffeinatednow · Yesterday 14:34

The focus will now begin to switch to the Wales children - Charlotte was on the front cover of Hello Magazine last month; probably George will be on the front cover when he turns 13 in July. When his parents make the announcement about where he is going to go for secondary school that will takeover the media headlines for days. The older members Anne, Edward and Sophie will gradually become more irrelevant. By the time George turns 21 AMW will be completely forgotten. It's almost inevitable.

I think this country, the UK, is well beyond ‘bread and circuses’ at this stage of its civilisational rise and fall.

The other cogs in the machine, along with monarch, private secretary class, rest of the royals, senior civil servants, and senior police, are the security services and politicians.

Specific politicians are mentioned in the released trade envoy appointment papers from 2000-2001. Stephen Byers was Trade Secretary was he not? Matey with Mandelson, caught up in expenses and corruption scandals, banned from Parliament? He’s retired from politics, but still around. He’s an active director of a water treatment plant construction company with links to the Emirates and Bahrain. Small world, eh?

This stuff won’t survive the new world of social media and its alternative (often better) news sources.

Verityandsquab654 · Today 08:49

Ukisgaslit · Yesterday 17:06

It is quite simple. The long winded explanations , similar to Duchy lack of transparency ( again not my opinion - MPs are asking ) only serve to disguise the basic facts :

No one else in the UK is above tax law . William and Charles are .
They are not paying capital gains tax or corporation tax on Duchy income .
Whatever income tax they offer is AFTER they have decided what is tax deductible and what isn’t

There is no proper oversight.William has closed the books - Charles offered some transparency.

I have recently read that the Duchy of Cornwall is using legal loopholes to avoid property taxes .
This is all setting aside the outrageous fact that William and Charles are taking millions and millions from the NHS and charities . William is charging us 1.5 million a year for a empty prison ! Nothing to stop him returning that money .

This is not my opinion - read Norman Baker ‘Royal mint , National debt’

The Windsors are using medieval claims to wring billions out of a 21st century industrial complex .
It needs to be stopped
Simply roll the Duchies into the crown estate

Btw- I did not say a trust has to be a business shell ? It was one example

And why are you referring to a memorandum of understanding ? That letter is of zero legal or legislative value . It’s nothing but a puff piece resulting from public outstage after Elizabeth wanted the people to pay for repairs to Windsor .
If William decides he’s not paying a penny more in tax there is not a thing we could do about it .
Disgraceful

Hear hear to this!

Verityandsquab654 · Today 09:00

Mylovelygreendress · Yesterday 18:06

Several months ago there was a poster who insisted that George is too thick for Eton . They claimed insider knowledge!

Crikey I am a Republican through and through but I think this is a pretty terrible thing to say about a child - any child - on social media. Why would you write such a thing honestly?

It’s sheer gossip. The lad didn’t ask to be born in to the position he is in with the world’s press poised to make vast sums of money out of him and his siblings. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy tbh, let alone a twelve year old.

These are real children fhs. This sort of thing is another reason why I am a Republican.

Mylovelygreendress · Today 09:08

Verityandsquab654 · Today 09:00

Crikey I am a Republican through and through but I think this is a pretty terrible thing to say about a child - any child - on social media. Why would you write such a thing honestly?

It’s sheer gossip. The lad didn’t ask to be born in to the position he is in with the world’s press poised to make vast sums of money out of him and his siblings. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy tbh, let alone a twelve year old.

These are real children fhs. This sort of thing is another reason why I am a Republican.

I agree and wish I could remember the
Poster’s name .

MyAutumnCrow · Today 09:10

And lest we forget, Harry attended Eton. Just saying …

AnnunciataM · Today 09:39

I don't understand why some people are so invested in either putting the royal children on pedestals or tearing them down or caring where they go to school. They're just kids, let them be and let them develop their own personalities instead of the ones the media and public seem so keen to give them.

Anyway, back to Andrew and this is a balanced review of the paperback of Entitled by Robert Jobson, who knows the royals himself.
https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/books/prince-andrew-entitled-biography-paperback-book-review-b1242732.html

Entitled: How Andrew went from Prince Charming to the duke of disgrace

The book that shook the monarchy is out in paperback with some extra explosive material about the former Prince Andrew and his ex-wife

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/books/prince-andrew-entitled-biography-paperback-book-review-b1242732.html

Ukisgaslit · Today 10:05

MyAutumnCrow · Today 07:58

I think this country, the UK, is well beyond ‘bread and circuses’ at this stage of its civilisational rise and fall.

The other cogs in the machine, along with monarch, private secretary class, rest of the royals, senior civil servants, and senior police, are the security services and politicians.

Specific politicians are mentioned in the released trade envoy appointment papers from 2000-2001. Stephen Byers was Trade Secretary was he not? Matey with Mandelson, caught up in expenses and corruption scandals, banned from Parliament? He’s retired from politics, but still around. He’s an active director of a water treatment plant construction company with links to the Emirates and Bahrain. Small world, eh?

This stuff won’t survive the new world of social media and its alternative (often better) news sources.

Great summary of the situation, I agree

I’d add that if some politicians or police officers are also embroiled in the Windsor corruption it is precisely because of the above the law nature of this ludicrous medieval remnant we tolerate and call ‘democracy’ ( we are NOT a mature democracy thanks to the Windsors squatting at the top )

The Windsors are above the law and others can shelter under the ‘we are royalty’ get out of jail free umbrella .

Ukisgaslit · Today 10:13

Look up Sen. Ro Khanna . He has worked with Sen.Thomas Massie to try to expose more from the Epstein files

He describes ‘ an Epstein class’ of above the law billionaires.

MyAutumnCrow · Today 10:36

I don't understand why some people are so invested in either putting the royal children on pedestals or tearing them down or caring where they go to school. They're just kids, let them be and let them develop their own personalities instead of the ones the media and public seem so keen to give them.

I do agree; but I suppose that part of the problem is that rather a few royals have now been profilic in their descriptions of their school days, which has aroused the public's interest, as it was intended by them to do (especially Harry). If royals write or give interveiws about being children, then certain elements of the public (helped by the media) become more curious about royal children.

Charles's descriptions of Gordonstoun are pretty famous - 'Colditz in kilts' - and varied. https://www.independentschoolparent.com/school/senior-sixth-form/king-charles-iii-at-gordonstoun/

Harry wrote perhaps rather too much about his years at Eton in his assisted outpouring, Spare. Diana was free with her opinions, too, on the subject of schools and schooling, when her sons were obviously still children.

I really wish that the tide could be turned back on the more prurient types of interest in the children. I'm probably going to express this clumsily, but I think that the absolute spectacle of the last Sandringham Xmas Day walk, with the shouting and hugging and daft presents, was bonkers. Whatever 'cultural contract' the royals think they have with the public, during these times of world-wide social media, is rapidly shifting away from the one they think they had safely negotiated with the UK-based media. And the Men In Grey Suits need to keep up. Charlotte on the cover of HELLO! was ridiculous, but it arose of images already put in the public domain.

How Gordonstoun shaped King Charles III

https://www.independentschoolparent.com/school/senior-sixth-form/king-charles-iii-at-gordonstoun/

Reddog1 · Today 10:39

The thing that grates a bit about that review is that he mentioned that Andrew “lost his virginity” at 11. No. He was raped. It was CSA.

Otherwise, the review seems even-handed, fair. Hits the right note.

simpsonthecat · Today 10:44

Verityandsquab654 · Today 09:00

Crikey I am a Republican through and through but I think this is a pretty terrible thing to say about a child - any child - on social media. Why would you write such a thing honestly?

It’s sheer gossip. The lad didn’t ask to be born in to the position he is in with the world’s press poised to make vast sums of money out of him and his siblings. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy tbh, let alone a twelve year old.

These are real children fhs. This sort of thing is another reason why I am a Republican.

Totally agree. It makes me uncomfortable to see the children sometimes and as for 10 pages in Hello for Charlotte, that is beyond measure dreadful. I know Kate used to put out a photo to shut the media up, it just doesn't work does it. And that 10 page spread shows what she is going to face the older she gets.

And yes @MyAutumnCrow I so agree with your last paragraph. However Kate and William think they are handling the exposure of their children, it is just not working to my mind. I think 'official' visits are OK. I remember George sat with his Dad at VE Day and one of the very elderly Veterans. He looked genuinely interested in what the Vet was saying and despite me not being a Royalist, I really did find it quite touching. That sort of exposure (if that's the correct term) is absolutely fine. The rest is awful... like the pap walks at Christmas.

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Ukisgaslit · Today 10:45

I don’t know if it’s true as it not something I’d ever listen to but didn’t William give an interview describing the children fighting over songs on the school run ? He even tried to say that he and Kate’s bedroom was cluttered with papers from her ‘early years’ stuff🤣 . They probably don’t even share a house never mind making it clear years ago that they have separate bedrooms

Ridiculously over the top PR prompted nonsense .

They happily use the children ( letting them hug strangers etc) and ‘snippets’ of family life dropped for lonely individuals to snap up, in order to try to boost popularity.
Dont blame royalists for purient interest in the Windsors behind closed doors when the Windsors themselves have been ramping it up for years .

Ukisgaslit · Today 10:56

I’ve just edited my post because I said next they’ll have Charlotte all over Hello ( I didn’t know if it still existed ) and they’ve already done it ?!

Hypocrites of the highest order .

Or desperate .

simpsonthecat · Today 10:56

This is very interesting from Norman Baker about QE2 insisting on the TE role for favourite soon. (I have copied and pasted, it was from an interview on R4 with Evan Davis). It's interesting and Baker has hit the nail on the head AFAIC

Norman Baker: He was appointed because the Queen was very keen he should be appointed. And that, I suppose, is not a surprise because he was her favourite son, although it’s the first time it’s been confirmed. It’s also been strongly rumoured and not denied that Prince Charles, as he then was, was against the appointment of Andrew, knowing what he was like.
And it was also clear from the papers released recently that there was no proper procedure to vet him or assessment.
Evan Davis: I mean, he was a member of the royal family. You probably find that for lots of royal postings of this sort of ambassadorial kind, they’re not vetted and there’s no security procedure or anything like that, because they’re — well, they’re members of the royal family.
Norman Baker: Well, I think Andrew’s position was a bit different because, you know, when the Queen or Prince Philip or Charles or anyone else went abroad to represent the country, they were going to a specific country for a particular purpose, on the instructions almost, and direction from the Foreign Office. Andrew was not in that situation. He was loosely associated with the Department of Trade and Industry, as it then was, and he was seen to make up his own schedule.
He decided which countries he would go to. But the other factor is that very soon it became apparent — there was ambassadorial representation to the Foreign Office — that he was totally unsuitable for this role. He was known by ambassadors abroad, our ambassadors, as “His Buffoon Highness” One of them actually wrote that and said, please take him away from this role.
So that was happening in 2002, 2003, and he was allowed to carry on for a further 8 or 9 years.
Evan Davis: And there are obviously questions that should be asked around whether he did the job and people should have managed him through that role differently. What’s the bigger conclusion you make? I mean, the Queen lobbied for her son to get the job. Does she have to take responsibility for him having that role when it’s not her job to appoint the trade envoy? She can lobby for whatever she wants, no?
Norman Baker: I think the problem here is one of deference — deference from successive governments to the royal family. If the Queen made it known she wanted that appointment made, no one would stand up and say “that’s not a good idea, ma’am.” They would have gone along with it. And I think the lesson really is that it should be much more professional in terms of how you handle the royal family, rather than letting them have a free rein to do what they want.
Evan Davis: Where does this go now, Norman? I mean, obviously we’ve now seen what we’ve seen. The history is history, it’s all been done. Where does it go?
Norman Baker: I think we need to know exactly what happened. Rather than relying on bits and pieces emerging here and there, from the United States and everything else, the British government will have records of where he went, who he met, what deals if any were struck. And we need to have that released for information. Of course, the royal family has largely exempted itself from freedom of information, but here’s an opportunity to correct that. Let’s have the facts as to what exactly happened during his trade envoy time — time to find out, frankly, whether there’s any cause to take any particular matters further.

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bluegreygreen · Today 10:59

The thing that grates a bit about that review is that he mentioned that Andrew “lost his virginity” at 11. No. He was raped. It was CSA.

Agree.

The book also mentioned sexual abuse by teaching staff when he was aged 8.

Ukisgaslit · Today 10:59

Thanks for that @simpsonthecat
Yep they are largely exempt from FOI requests , exempt from most taxes, exempted themselves from environmental laws ( hypocrites ) , exempt , exempt, exempt.

Why do they need layer upon layer of secrecy ?

simpsonthecat · Today 11:07

Ukisgaslit · Today 10:59

Thanks for that @simpsonthecat
Yep they are largely exempt from FOI requests , exempt from most taxes, exempted themselves from environmental laws ( hypocrites ) , exempt , exempt, exempt.

Why do they need layer upon layer of secrecy ?

I think the whole system is rotten to be honest. So agree that we have these problems because of deference of successive governments. That needs to end. They are public servants and should be scrutinised as such.

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