AMW continuing his effort to end the monarchy part 4

[simpsonthecat]

New thread. This is not ending

Thanks for that extract, simpsonthecat.

Norman Baker is quite right when he says the MW problem stemmed from undue deference. Unfortunately said deference is still an issue today.

He has managed to compile a list of some of MW's TE jaunts from official royal web pages which have now been taken down. It's not complete but it gives a flavour of the frequency and global breadth of the jollies we were forced to subsidise.

ETA said list is in his book.

I think it stems from years of monarchy having a sense of mystic, superiority and power where no one dares question them. It worked well until social media started and the plebs could see more of what went on until now they’re totally scrutinised pretty much 24/7. Certainly when I was young there was very little known about what went on behind the scenes unless it was in the press. And then it was highly sanitised, released by the palace and ‘Never explain, never complain’ rigidly adhered to. Any biographies were written by favoured authors.
Quite rightly everything has changed over the last few years.

Yes, we are in a different era, and what worked during QE2 certainly does not work now, and I really don't see that the Palace has adapted. A 70 year reign ends and nothing really changes that I can see.
We are hearing that William will change things, let's see shall we.....

Definitely - all these male writers seem to be striking an off note here. As the Reviewer Robert Jobson himself says, we need to be looking at 'the framing, the sense of the bigger picture and why these things matter'.

It'd be interesting if someone were to write a recent history (through George V > Edward 'David' VIII > George V > Mountbatten & Philip > Elizabeth & Margaret > Gordounstoun > Charles and chums > Andrew > their partners and adult offspring connected with Andrew/Epstein/Diddy/Perry/Maxwell etc, looking specifically at the running theme of early sexual and 'romantic' experiences, being exposed to adult profligacies too young, other abuse, family expectations, the family environment and what was normalised within it.

There's something very wrong at the heart of this family that sits outside of what's considered 'normal' for its social class, its cultural milieu and its time.

The late Queen had difficulty facing up to a lot of things, it seems.

William will change things for the worse .

He’s already started . Do less, take more, hide more .

@CathyorClaire

Taking down the web pages because Norman Baker was taking notes! 🤣 How embarrassing

Norman Baker is a force to be reckoned with. I can only imagine the sheer persistence he must have

But manage to attend the most important Villa games 🙄

If you are not being sarcastic Mylovelygreendress
as it’s often hard to tell on-ne…

… if you agree, then why on earth did you choose to repeat salacious gossip?

I do agree about the madness of the Easter walks with members of the public behaving completely inappropriately screaming at the royal dc and asking for selfies with children. Ridiculous.

I think there has always been a salacious interest in the schools the royals have attended, which is why there was a reporting ban when Wills and Harry were at Eton, but I don’t think it’s Spare particularly to blame or any other publication, for the most recent prurience.

I think it’s to do with the internet and the general rise of social media such as You Tube and Instagram and the corresponding proliferation of content.

People have clocked on to the fact that they can make money this way eg there is already an Instagram account or three about the royal children and there’s even one devoted to Princess Charlotte’s fashion. It all appeals to the public’s lowest instincts and the technology is relatively easy and accessible. Hence the explosion in royal podcasts, royal conspiracy theories, videos of people lip-reading the royals and sites devoted to the royal children.

It’s all utterly barking as far as I am concerned but a useful distraction for some I suppose from the really important things happening in the country eg child poverty and if I may I would like to quote the following figures from the Child Poverty Action Group:

4 million
children are growing up in poverty in the UK

8
children in an average classroom of 30 (27%) are living in poverty

7 out of 10
children living in poverty have at least one parent in paid work

350,000
children were lifted out of poverty when the two-child limit was removed

47%
of children from Black and Asian communities are in poverty, compared to 22 per cent of white children

41%
of children living in lone-parent families are in poverty

40%
of children in poverty live in a family where someone is disabled

I think that the UK would be a better place if the headlines, podcasts, Instagram and You Tube posts and reels, focused on the above figures rather than the brand of Princess Charlotte’s cardigan or where Prince George is going to school.

@Verityandsquab654

Thank you for that post .

Thanks Ukisgaslit 🪴

I don’t mean to be preachy, it just upsets me.

I just think we focus on the wrong things and our values are skewed. We revere wealth and status and somehow that is equated with respectability and religion and the head of the CofE. Sorry to go really off topic now but I’m genuinely confused by it all.

I don't think they realised Norman Baker was taking notes. Probably more part of the cack-handed moves to get ahead of the narrative and demonstrate to the plebs they were 'doing something' about the MW buffoon.

That said, I'm extremely grateful NB had the foresight to capture the information while it was out there.

As you say, a force to be reckoned with. How they must loathe him 😆

There really is no end to the Yorks' greed, they're all in it up to their necks!
https://open.substack.com/pub/andrewlownie/p/the-mystery-of-alphabet-capital-and

All in it, yep.

The strenuous efforts of the daughters to avoid financial scrutiny and their hiring of attack-dog lawyers to suppress Andrew Lownie's revelations tell us all we need to know.

Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi too, if the Royal Lodge refurb stories hold up.

I wonder where Brooksbank fits into it all, other than embarrassedly.

“The Yorkettes”!! Love it! lol

Hopefully the share token will work. More allegations coming
Andrew faces allegation over ‘incident with woman’ at Royal Ascot

https://www.thetimes.com/article/62f6e684-c083-4508-93c7-6ac7f290dc6d?shareToken=e3a3d58f147e3c2376afe96109ee0601

Thank you
I sincerely hope that all these small things add up to something much bigger in the long run. Long may it continue.

Yes I hope something sticks.

I can’t link it because of my dodgy screen but I listened to a very interesting episode from the The Crime Agents podcast last night which is “an investigative true crime podcast hosted by former UK Counter-Terrorism Policing Head Neil Basu and LBC Crime Correspondent Andy Hughes” which you can access on You Tube,

I thoroughly recommend their latest episode about AMW and how the police investigation is broadening to cover sexual crime as well as potential corruption and selling secrets etc. Interestingly Hughes emphasised that the police are not against bringing separate charges eg for fraud, under and alongside the other broader umbrella of potential crimes they are investigating,

Basu explains in detail why the crime “malfeasance in public office” or whatever it’s called, is so difficult to prove, partly because the definition of this particular crime is very loose.

And he raises the difficulty of pinning down the law pertaining to the definition of “public office” itself when in fact AMW’s role was very unusual in that it was encouraged by the late QE2 and AMW was effectively acting as a consultant to the FO and not for the FO itself.

He also expanded on how this case has obviously become very political and touched on the difficulties the British Commissioner of Police faces liaising with his counterpart in the US.

They both agreed that the police need the unredacted version of the Epstein files to carry out their investigation properly.

Hughes obviously has good contacts among the Thames Valley Police and he laid out the difficulties they are facing. He emphasised several times I think the importance of new witnesses to the trafficking aspects of the case coming forward and how they can be assured of privacy and police protection should they be brave enough to do so.

So all rather worrying in other words!

Interestingly though, they both commented on the massive resources that have been put behind this investigation and how the very top, most experienced and effective detectives, are being deployed, thanks to the high profile nature of the case and to put right the mistakes made previously, when potential crimes were not picked up. So at least that last point is reassuring!

I think if they can't bring charges that may be better somehow, because if he has his day in court everyone can just say he's been dealt with, ' one bad apple', blame a dead woman etc. If no charges can be brought then maybe the stink will reach where it should- supine and overly deferential governments, a press who turned a blind eye and most importantly a Palace operation who pushed as far as it could to do what they wanted ( and with seemingly no pushback at all from the people meant to be holding them to account) and cover up any bad behaviour they could. They all need to be shamed and dragged into the open to explain their thinking.

Yes that’s an interesting point .I’ve read a similar argument that we should be calling him Prince Andrew because that’s who he is ( no one is royal but they are all connected to it is my point )

We all remember that Sarah Ferguson went to have lunch with Epstein 5 days after he was released from prison for child solicitation and was under house arrest . I heard on a podcast that we the tax payer paid for a police security officer to accompany her .

So if this is true , we paid Ferguson's security while she had lunch in Florida with a man just released from prison for child solicitation.

That one incident speaks volumes to me .

Another article in the Times today by Andrew Lownie
I fear the royal family will never let Andrew end up in court

https://www.thetimes.com/article/62aa14be-2623-4811-9252-eaa62976354f?shareToken=8e2473764eaae17cc540b9cb474dff3d

The Crime Agents sounds like an interesting podcast, Verityandsquab654, thanks - I'll look it up.

A while ago I posted a link to an episode of the BBC Sounds podcast The Law Show which was all about misconduct in public office one week, shortly after AMW and Mandelson had been arrested. The link is here if anyone is interested.

The Law Show: Misconduct in Public Office

I'm a bit confused about this week's police update. Shortly after AMW was arrested one of the broadsheets had a summary of which forces were involved and which offences were being considered, and the police were clear that they were looking at all possible charges, including sexual.
I'm not sure that we've heard anything different this week.

a press who turned a blind eye

TBF I think the press did a pretty good job of exposing the travesty that was going on and asking questions. We have always suspected that what did come out was the tip of the iceberg but it wasn't until the US released the Epstein files that that was confirmed.

If the Epstein files had remained sealed, MW would no doubt still be installed in RL and taking every opportunity he could to hog the camera at televised family events.