AMW continuing his effort to end the monarchy part 4

[simpsonthecat]

New thread. This is not ending

Yes, after investigation by the Sunday times they came up with a figure of between £5-7M.
He did not reveal it himself despite ongoing public pressure.

So ? I’m sure the article said it was revealed by Hmrc , this would not have been possible had he not given permission, it also stated that he paid the most tax In the U.K. , surely this should put people’s mind at rest?
I don’t see a further issue on this topic.

I didn't bring it up. Bluegreygreen did.

I wasn't by any means implying that past wickedness and unlawfulness should be excused on the grounds that things were different then. I was more alluding to entitled behaviour and attitudes - the sort of stuff we hear about AMW - that would have tarnished the better-than-thou veneer ofbthecRF.

William will sell a fifth of Duchy land for homes and nature.

This is an odd move.

My own view is that the Duchy rightfully belongs to the nation, isn't his to sell and he shouldn't be permitted to sink sale funds into his personal puff projects and interests however worthy they look on paper.

Will there be kickbacks profitable fees, licenses and sales of rights involved which have the effect of boosting Duchy profits and his income?

IMO W doesn't do anything that affects his own interests adversely.

Sometimes @CathyorClaire things are as they seem and people are not always the villains we believe.

There are still issues with this and so imho it is still worth bringing up.

One the payment is still voluntary and William is still allowed to deduct expenses, so as I said in my previous post, he may be paying tax but not transparently so and he is not subject to the same laws as the rest of us.
This means that although HMRC will be receiving revenue from him, his affairs are not subject to scrutiny by HMRC in the same way other business owners in the UK have to face.

Also, 45% to 47 % isn’t a huge amount honestly. Your averagely successful entrepreneur in France, Switzerland or Belgium will be paying at least 52% permitting them to live comfortably but not luxuriously like the POW.

The principle of all of this is important too because the Duchies are in reality huge corporations but are still taxed as though they are owned by medieval barons. It’s utterly ridiculous in this day and age. Why is this still necessary?

The Duchy of Cornwall makes roughly, at a conservative estimate, £20 million a year. William became POW in 2022. What happens when George takes over which he may well do within five to ten years? It is still very much a live issue.

I think this should all be transparent, especially when a proportion of the income is generated by wind farms along the coast, and by renting land to national institutions such as the NHS, the army and the prison service.

I agree with CathyorClaire that the selling off of land should be subject to more scrutiny. William may indeed have the best interests of British citizens and the environment by doing this and if so he should be applauded.

There again, he may be making as much profit as he can before changing the laws for his son. We just don’t know do we?

You choose to blindly trust JeffGoldblum an institution that has consistently chosen to cover up serious financial mismanagement by one of its own members who acted as Trade Envoy for eleven years despite the institution being informed by the Head of Intelligence and senior members of the Foreign Office that AMW was making personal deals off the back of his role. Something that in any other organisation would be known as fraud. They covered it up subsequently too. And that is leaving aside the Epstein connection. Why should we now trust their word on anything?

Also, it seems strange to me that when accusations about the Duchy of C are put to the RF, the response comes back that the POW is not allowed to personally benefit from the profits as they are held for the nation and yet apparently, at the very same time, William has the prerogative to sell some of it off? Isn’t that a strange juxtaposition? Who is overseeing all of this? The fact that we are forced once more to simply trust that they are doing this legitimately makes me uncomfortable.

If nothing else is learnt from the AMW debacle it is that further scrutiny and accountability should be the order of the day.

Again, I ask the question, if everything is completely above board, why is any secrecy necessary at all?

I do not blindly trust anything! , I read everything here and judge as I see fit , but if transparency was called for on his taxes and then it was given, why are people still complaining? 😬

Because @jeffgoldblum, William once drove AMW to church and because he was mean to H and M , he cannot be trusted .

I see! And I noticed that on the thread about the duchy news, another poster has completely flipped her script to defend Charles and vilify “greedy” William. 🤷‍♀️

It wasn't technically 'given'. There was an investigative report and who knows if he gave his permission for an approximate amount to be revealed. He didn't do what his Father did for years and years, i.e. release exact figures. He responded to public pressure because he really had no choice

So why are we still paying for them? That's what I'm bothered about.

The fake charities, the grifting, the sheer waste of money.

That was a response to someone asking how Anne or Edward must feel about being displaced from the line of succession by a new York baby. I don't care how they feel about that! I do care about the other things you've mentioned.

Hi jeff

As I said above I don't believe W does anything that doesn't promote his own interests but as I've now seen there's a thread dedicated to the subject I'll carry on the discussion on that rather than take the spotlight off the MW antics 🙂

He didn't do what his Father did for years and years, i.e. release exact figures. He responded to public pressure because he really had no choice

I agree but it's worth noting while C3 released the information to great fanfare (and I think it may only have been a year or so he did it) he's now quietly gone back to not releasing it but nobody seems to have noticed

cathy , you can discuss anything you like on any thread you choose, just because we don’t always agree, doesn’t mean that I don’t like to read your thoughts .

Is this true? I didn’t notice that, very strange! ( this is why I need you to post these nuggets!) 🤔

Ah, TBF to him apparently he did declare it for quite a while (1993-2022) but nothing since then.

Interesting that those dates start with the year E2 was forced to become more transparent and end with the year she died.

That is interesting! , Is there any explanation? , what are your thoughts? , I was wondering if it was the transition from pow to king but obviously that timeframe discounts that thought!

No explanation AFAIC he just....stopped although given he was instrumental in driving up the DoC's profits I suppose it might be that he's been doing the same with DoL and doesn't want us to see?

Ah ok 👍, still good to know though!

he is not subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

In which case it is for the government to change the law. It is not William's fault that the government hasn't done this.

the Duchies are in reality huge corporations but are still taxed as though they are owned by medieval barons.

The Duchy of Cornwall doesn't pay corporation tax because legally it's not s corporation. Neither does the Duchy of Devonshire. (As I understand it, not being an expert, both are set up relatively legally, held in a form of trust with a beneficiary.)

the selling off of land should be subject to more scrutiny.

The Treasury has to approve any sale of property of value over £500k. I suspect most of what you're talking about will come into this category.

an institution that has consistently chosen to cover up serious financial mismanagement by one of its own members who acted as Trade Envoy for eleven years despite the institution being informed by the Head of Intelligence and senior members of the Foreign Office that AMW was making personal deals off the back of his role.

Where they covered it up they are culpable; as also are all those cabinet ministers who were responsible for AMW while he was in a government role for 11 years and did not act to stop him.

both are set up relatively legally

Oops - that was meant to say 'relatively similarly legally

Unintentionally funny 😁

I didn’t even notice @bluegreygreen! 🤣 ( possibly because I was blindly following! 🙄)

That's 29 years! Charles set a precedent, a good one. His son ignored it.