Project Thaw - Conspiracy Theory or Grain of Truth?

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After Harry’s Ukraine comments I accidentally fell into the rabbit hole that is Project Thaw. In summary it’s meant to be a behind the scenes plot which is aiming to get Harry back on Royal duties and back with his estranged family.

KC is said to be involved, as well as several senior government ministers. I thought it was some mad conspiracy theory but the deeper I went in the rabbit hole the more it kinda makes sense.

Harry and his quasi royal tours every 2 months. Canada, Nigeria, Ukraine (a few times) and Australia. Some of the so called experts say that Harry doesn’t have the capability to organise such tours and must have the help of the grey men. Also he’s back on the royal rota apparently back since September 2025.

One of the YouTube’s clips I watched was an ex-PR person who explained in more detail. Can’t remember her name. Fascinating!

I mean it does make sense, he is a liability out there on his own. The grey men managed to successfully make him a “cheeky happy” when he can all see now that this certainly not the case!!

What’s everyone’s thoughts? I mean I really can’t see William going for it, but maybe it’s last ditch attempt by our weak King to get Harry back into the fold before William is King.

Well he’s obviously got help, but it’s the Soros Foundation, isn’t it?

I expect it’ll be a weight off his family’s mind to have him in a Priory clinic somewhere. But he’s not fit for any ‘duties’.

The problem is his court cases. He is being sued by Sentebale. The verdict isn't in for the newspaper hacking case. HG Tudor just did a video about a report on Invictus Canada that looks like a real problem. Finally, RAVEC should point out that Harry keeps visiting dangerous countries so he seems to be his own worst enemy. If he loses any of these cases, it won't be pleasant. He is his own worst enemy.

Is the YouTuber Lauren the Insider? She has lots of PR knowledge but no BP contacts as far as I’m aware.

Every trip H does where he tries to play it royal demonstrates what a disaster he is at them. He opens his mouth and all that comes out is his own ill considered opinion. He’s only good for balloon fights and hugs. I think if BP was behind this it would be much more tightly controlled.

The statement he made about being a working royal shows he has mentally torn up the Sandringham agreement and thinks what he’s doing equates to the work of a bona fide royal.

In reality they are worlds apart.

There’s no way his conduct will get him back in the fold. If KC3 want reconciliation that’s a private matter but Harry is done as a royal.

I think H wants what he has always wanted, to have his cake and sat it - to be a Proper Royal but still do whatever he chants.

I don't see any evidence anyone else is on board with that...

the whole thing is a bit odd. why was the BBC royal correspondent interviewing him like he was a working royal. its like the BBC are treating it like a royal tour.

I hope he isn’t coming back. He’s called this country of ours & our HoS racist. He’s backtracked when challenged. He’s a spoilt child who cannot be trusted. His wife has made a mockery of our culture and traditions. They can fuck right off as far as I’m concerned.

The bbc should be concentrating on the royals who work for me and this country, not some jumped up idiot and his wife who want everything their way, without the ethics to go with it.

Yes! @Ohpleeeeaseit was Lauren!! I found her insights fascinating. Reminds me of the PR poster who used to post on the MN Royal threads.

I agree with all the PPs he is indeed his own worst enemy. If they would both just shut up and live a quiet life, I suspect in a couple of years they could be accepted again. I mean it worked for Camilla, who’d have thought she would ever be called Queen in MSM!! Amazing PR work right there.

Thanks @BemusedAmericanfor HG Tutor tip, Invictus is a huge story waiting to happen.

I’m not usually bothered either way about the RF but H&M are like a soap opera. An almost weekly drama to keep you hooked :)

Harry is very reminiscent of an ex employee
High up in the company and thought she ran the place - kept saying she was retiring but never went - someone asked what her plans were about succession planing and she had the mother of all tantrums - crashed out causing chaos with bad mouthing threatening to sue
she continued to meddle for years after from the outside

A narc won’t be told and won’t go quietly- if they can’t have it they would rather destroy it

Agree. It even has a name:

‘narcissist collapse’

Happening right now before our very eyes in Washington. And note that there is no one coming to rescue him - rats deserting the sinking ship - and that’s what will happen with PH is BRF have any sense. They need to be putting in the distance unless they want to go down with him.

I agree. The most recent quote form a source of RF talked about “bitterness” and “trust” and indicated that it was with H&M to resolve those two issues.

I don’t believe MM wants to be a working member of the RF - but she might be prepared to pimp her husband out for few solo events annually with the aim of re establishing some royal adjacency / brand flow solely to power her commercial projects.

I don’t believe the BRF want them as a couple or PH solo in a working royal role.

I do believe that KC3 (not PW/PC) wants at his age and health status a private family reconciliation with his son and grandchildren - but not at the expense of risking any further damage to an already soiled monarchy - seemingly PH is unable to meet the conditions of any private reconciliation for the benefit of his DCs hence the bitterness/trust comments.

I’m bewildered by these quasi royal tours, bewildered by anyone being interested enough to go to see them and everything else they entail.

They just need to fade quietly into the background and live the ‘out’ choice they made imo.

I don't think Charles would ever risk having private conversations with Harry, he seems to have lapses of memory of what was actually said and Charles can't risk being misquoted. I'm sure Charles would like to know his GCs but not at the expense of the monarchy. And after what happened between William and Harry and their wives it won't get any better when William becomes king. Harry can carry on running his pseudo royal family, touring the world, but very few are taking him seriously and his relevance reduces every year that passes.

I honestly don’t see how it’s possible. For starters, the UK media is almost unilaterally against them. I also can’t see Meghan opening fetes and shaking hands and not getting booed. The Brits are spectacularly good at holding a grudge!

The BBC is annoyed that William did his interview with Eugene Levy rather than the BBC. Harry is the closest the BBC can get to a royal.

Agreed. I don’t think the ‘amazing’ A & L are the bargaining chip H&M thought they would be with their grandad!

I loved his chat with Eugene Levy. It showed W to be a warm person with a good sense of humour but also a very thoughtful man. EL’s face was absolutely adorable when C went up and said hello to him at her carol service.

Conspiracy theory.

I’d go further and say (as I have before and been disagreed with!) that I don’t think KC3 is that bothered about his American DGC. We’re led to believe there is very little contact if any with Montecito. It seems likely this extends to A and L. Perhaps there’s the odd video call but I somehow doubt it. I think any communication is one way.

Out of sight, out of mind is my guess.

@Baital "I think H wants what he has always wanted, to have his cake and sat it - to be a Proper Royal but still do whatever he chants."

Bit like his brother then.

Yes but William is a proper Royal .Harry is not.

Well god help us then, from what I've seen of "proper" royals.

How would it work when William is king ?? Meg won't bow to him and certainly not Kate. The firm don't need them

Can you expand on that ?

Auntie has rolled over for the royals on countless occasions including accommodating W's 'demands' (wtf) the Diana Panorama interview was never shown in its entirety again.

The anodyne EL scootery sideshow was more of the same albeit on a different and still sympathetic platform.

I DGAF about any transparent royal posturing but please let's not pretend Auntie wouldn't have her tummy tickled by any of them.

Can you define what you mean by a 'proper Royal'?