Harry and Meghan's Australian jaunt -part 3 it's nearly over!

[corblimeygvnr]

Continuation ....

Titles need to be limited to working royals only, none of this silly Dukedoms awarded on marriage nonsense, no Prince and Princess titles for grandchildren of the Monarch....
we were sold that Charles would be the great moderniser, well clearly not as he has done absolutely nothing

Well, there hasn't been much for him to do in that respect. No marriages which might raise the question of a dukedom, and won't be until Louis is thinking of marriage. Edward and Sophie's children already don't use Princess and Prince, and no-one else has reached or will soon reach an age to be a working royal. I don't think Charles would remove titles from Charlotte and Louis as children; maybe there will be some agreement that they won't use them as adults if they choose not to be working royals, but that won't be for ten years or so.

He does retain his Dukedom, as removal of that requires an act of parliament, but was removed from the Roll of the Peerage, so cannot be addressed as Duke
In which case why are they still openly using the Duke and Duchess prefixes?

@Tiddlywinks63 You seem to have copied my post across from the 'Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy' thread.

As I have said in my post, AMW retains his Dukedom, as it must be removed by act of parliament, but can no longer be addressed by the title since removal from the Roll of the Peerage. He is therefore Mr Mountbatten-Windsor.

Prince Harry has not lost any titles. Neither has the Sussex Dukedom been removed from the Roll.

i thought Prince was a birthright and could not be removed ? So AMW is still a prince ??

I'm not sure why the post was copied across, but if you follow the link to Charles' Letters Patent, you will see not:

Charles III Letters Patent 03/11/2025 Letters Patent

Apologies @Tiddlywinks63 - I've been across so many threads today that I've got myself confused which ones I've posted on!

Well Charles could have acted to prevent Archie and Lilibet being Prince/Princess as it was not announced until 6 months after the Queen died and given that their parents gave up their status as working royals there was no need for it.

Queen Margarethe of Denmark showed herself to be a lot tougher when she stripped the Prince/Princess titles from her 2nd son's kids. Charles is a lot weaker and more hesitant.

Here's a thought. Harry and Meghan could have shown awareness and astuteness and not taken those titles for the children!
Ridiculous.

Oh do someone repeat the instructions for archive links or perhaps very kindly enable my technical dimness - but here re the sunbather on Bondi Beach. Excerpt ( note even in this snippet I noticed "massive crowds" being mentioned within a paragraph or two of "dozens of fans" 😂)

Daily Mail

A beachgoer has been praised after footage captured her refusing to move when her sunbathing session was interrupted by Prince Harry and Meghan.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex drew massive crowds when they visited Sydney's Bondi Beach last Friday, despite it not being listed on their official itinerary.
After a private meeting with first responders and survivors of last year's December 14 Bondi terrorist attack, where 15 people died, the couple wandered down to the famous shore to watch a surf lifesaving demonstration.
They were mobbed by dozens of fans and a large media pack capturing their every move.
Footage showed the group walking into the path of a sunbather lying prone on her towel, unfazed by the commotion around her.
The woman carried on reading her book, making no attempt to get out of the way or acknowledge the VIP guests, even after Prince Harry appeared to notice and point at her.
The encounter has since gone viral online.
One post captioned 'Bondi beachgoer gives zero f*s' attracted hundreds of Reddit comments, with many hailing her as an 'unbothered queen'.

Well Charles could have acted to prevent Archie and Lilibet being Prince/Princess as it was not announced until 6 months after the Queen died

And provoked a storm from Monteshitshow. Waaah racism waaah waaah William waaahwaaah George Charlotte Louis waaah and all the press attention that would have gone with it, focused on children.

Why put his family through that when Archie and Lili are growing up in the US where their titles are irrelevant? I don't suppose they'll go round introducing themselves as Prince Archie and Princess Lili when they're at high school and college, so in a few years no-one will know or care about their titles anyway.

Had he issued LP preventing A and L from receiving the titles , he would have been accused of racism ‘

Exactly . As originally reported .

Absolutely. Can you imagine the level of victimhood? The interviews, the tv programmes, the weeping?
Good lord. Leave them to it.

Why on earth would the Irwins want to meet the Sussexes? They move in circles several rungs above Harry and Meghan socially. They are passionate about the environment which neither Harry or Meghan have expressed any interest in and, as the article states, Robert Irwin works with Earthshot and the Heir to the Throne. There is no benefit to the Irwins and they are cannny enough to avoid being used for point scoring.

They were mobbed ?
I hope Harry was suitably traumatised, given his obsession with security.

Why put his family through that when Archie and Lili are growing up in the US where their titles are irrelevant? I don't suppose they'll go round introducing themselves as Prince Archie and Princess Lili when they're at high school and college, so in a few years no-one will know or care about their titles anyway.

I think seeing as their mother has herself introduced by her title to an empty room the probability of A&L introducing themselves as Prince and Princess is high, Wouldn’t surprise me if that’s how the Montecito staff refer to them now, and Harry is just as bad, the titles are absolutely everything to the pair of them and their children’s titles as well. How the children’s titles are used as adults when no doubt they will be pitted against the Wales children will also cause concern, especially as one has the name of QE2. I don’t think any of the Sussexes will fade into obscurity and even if the parents do, they will make damned sure their children don’t.

@BigWillyLittleTodger - I wonder if Duncan Jones would put himself forward as a mentor 😉

@BasiliskStare

Your wish is my command https://archive.is/VV0Jy

I was just checking on Princess Margaret's children and it said that titles do not pass on through a princess only a prince. Will this be the case for Charlotte? It says so unless there is a change. Surely this needs to be addressed ?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1966475/princess-charlotte-prince-george-children-royal-title/amp

Thank you @bluegreygreen

All , here is the archive link to my excerpt above re the sunbather on Bondi Beach. It raised a smile with me

https://archive.is/VV0Jy

Agree.

I do wonder if KC3 was hoping for the best, in that the Sussexes had already said they didn't want titles, so when he acceded to the throne he didn't want to rock the boat.

Then Lilibet was christened in March 2023 (after his accession in September 2022) and announced as Princess. I wonder how much warning the Palace received.

https://archive.is/22Nuq

Yes, that's right @corblimeygvnr.

That was also the case for Princess Anne's children, which is why Peter and Zara don't have titles (they were offered a title for Mark Phillips, but declined).

Apparently it's now the Daily Mail's fault that NSW police resources were required

https://archive.is/wiZ8e

None, I suspect.