Beatrice and Eugenie banned from Ascot

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Beatrice and Eugenie have been banned from the royal box at Ascot and from royal events in the foreseeable future. That's according to a headline in the Daily Mail. A little part of me feels a bit sorry for them as they're not their parents. I don't like them much but they do seem to symbolise all that's wrong with the royals. Money and immense wealth and priviledge for very little return.

Really? So even more tasteless inappropriate behaviour?

You know a lot about the Sussexes, enough to be sympathetic to them. Who is Lili's godfather? Maybe look that up.

Not as far as I know. But sex offences are still sex offences even when not on the scale of Epstein. And an alleged sex offender as godfather to a British princess is probably slightly less problematic if that princess is not closely associated with the working RF, at least while they’re trying to manage the Andrew scandal.

Meghan maybe “ thrives” under the camera but she never understood that she wasn’t the main subject ; whichever charity or event they visit is the focus . Meghan can’t ( or won’t) play second fiddle to anyone ! She - literally- pushes in front of people ( Harry , the late Queen) or wants to hold hands ( Catherine).

Lengthy article in the Times by Hilary Rose with share token.
Quotes a lot form the Lownie book but still some new facts as well.
What’s next for Beatrice and Eugenie — rejected by the royals?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d253f59c-1b40-41fe-b7b7-c5e4575a18cd?shareToken=2433b212f816d4d90f1bc33ae62928f4

I agree with this.

William doesn't want anyone under 60 to be a working royal, it seems - has always been anti Beatrice and Eugenie having roles, now Harry and Meghan are out, Louise and James are likely uninterested.

William and Kate definitely don't want to do the work themselves.

What's the idea once the older royals are gone? If it's just not being seen, I think that's an error. If the public never see them and they just spend their time going on holiday, it will be the beginning of the end for the royals.

From the article:

“When I left home, my children asked, ‘Why are you leaving us again, Mummy?’ ” she said. “I told them they were going to have a lovely Christmas but they had to understand the children of Kosovo wouldn’t have that.” The princesses, she added, were too young to accompany her yet, but in due course they would learn about “the suffering endured in other countries”, she added. “It’s important that they learn that life is not just roses.”

What a horrible woman.

Just read that they will not be at Sandringham this year for Easter. It’s time for them to disappear. The Royal Family is falling apart the way many families do when grandma dies.

I think he has been against B and E having roles with good reason after reading that article. He knows they are mixed up in dodgy money. A few snippets:

After Bea’s 18th with Epstein at al there and a rumoured cost of £400k Bea’s 21st was: Three years later, ordered by Queen Elizabeth to have a less ostentatious 21st, Beatrice spent her birthday at a luxury villa in Marbella. The select group of guests included a Libyan friend of her father with convictions for drugs and arms dealing, who gave her a £20,000 diamond necklace.

Eugenie was 32 in 2022 although it isn’t clear when the payments were made:In 2022 it was revealed in a case at the High Court that she had accepted £10,000 “to assist”, she explained, “with the cost of a surprise party for my mother”. The day after that payment, a further £15,066.05 arrived in her bank account with the reference “Birthday gift”.

Eugenie’s wedding with a Dad-Zilla, Fergie selling tea at the event and dodgy guests. It wasn’t organised by the Queen’s courtiers so I imagine she allowed these guests. Security costs increased from £750,000 to an estimated £2 million. To Andrew’s fury, the BBC declined to broadcast the wedding in full. On the plus side, though, President Trump posted a congratulatory message describing the bride as “a total winner” and Fergie flogged her own-brand tea from a stall at the reception. Guests included a Libyan gunrunner, a banker who once paid off £40,000 of Fergie’s debts and a Chinese internet tycoon who had been arrested in America six weeks earlier over allegations of rape.

We will never know though whether it would have been different if they had been working royals from a young age.

He has also been anti them having roles well before any of this came out.

Also doesn't answer the question of what William plans to do when the older royals have retired/died.

@Bimmering but they were mixing with dodgy people and accepting excessive gifts and flights from being teenagers. Just following in their parents footsteps. Perhaps the line of succession royals said ‘clean up you act re your friends and finances and post uni perhaps you can become working royals’ but they never cleaned up their acts and their bank accounts - refusing the ethics check hints at this - and so were too risky to become working royals? They chose their path which involved 18 holidays a year, gifts of diamonds and selling themselves (figuratively speaking) around the Middle East.

William does seem to have a good nose for sniffing out potential shadiness if he has been against working royal status for B+E for some years. I would imagine that refusing his suggested ethics check means they will never be fully in the fold now.

Well that’s them screwed then, really. Thats an extremely damning article about Beatrice and Eugenie, and it’s in the ‘paper of record’ read by members of HM Government, and the Palace(s).They’re finished in public life in the UK.

This made me laugh though:
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“It’s hard,” said Beatrice, as one of the family’s five Norfolk terriers urinated on her Richard Quinn designer cape, “to navigate situations like this because there is no precedent. There is no protocol. We are the first: we are young women trying to build careers and have personal lives and we’re also princesses.”

The absurdity of it all. A comedic cherry on top of a ridiculous shitshow of venal stupidity.

i am the Wales children will be front and centre facing the photographers.

i am the Wales children will be front and centre facing the photographers.

I think so too. To William and Charles, the smaller RF has always been about the heir and their heirs. They don’t want the cousins diluting their brand income. Ironically, Harry could have stayed on the books during his fathers reign but thought he had another plan.

I predict a lot of popcorn will be consumed watching the Montecito antics when the young Wales do start to do anything public though.

I’m sure they haven’t been ‘banned’. I suspect it’s more likely that they’re just not included in the royal box so as not to create any salaciousness or drama around the king.

The Wales children are already being pushed into the public eye. To me, that suggests William isn’t really modernising the Royal Family he’s just slimming it down.

True modernisation would mean genuinely changing the approach. In my opinion, it would be better if the children were kept out of the public spotlight until they’re 18 and can decide for themselves. No monarch has died young for decades, so there’s no urgent need to start training the heir while they’re still a child. They’ll have plenty of time to learn once they’re adults.

The spares are hardly needed either, so they should be kept private, allowed to build their own careers, and earn their own money.

The current problem is that spares and cousins are raised in a model where they’re given money to cover living expenses while also being expected to act as working royals as and when needed. That’s a difficult position to be in.

Whether you’re marrying in or you’re a cousin born into it, that setup would likely feel suffocating. It’s the kind of situation where many people would agree it’s unreasonable to be beholden to whoever controls the Duchy, receiving an allowance with no say in the amount. If you upset the person in charge, you risk losing that support entirely. No thank you. It’s no wonder many of them want to earn their own money and be more independent.

So the whole setup needs to change.
But we’re not seeing that. The children are already being pushed forward, so it’s the same old system, just with fewer of them.

As for ethics check and weeding out shady stuff, they are all at it we don't hear alot about the others but there has been a light shone on all of them at some point. None of them can stand on a moral or ethical high ground

Oh but waaaah William doesn't have faith - he's too quiet about it waaah! He's taking his children to church waaah ! It's so performative.

I think William and Kate having the children in the public eye is somewhat necessary. George could be Prince of Wales before he finishes his education. Given the age of all the other working royals I don’t think he will get the opportunity to live for several years quietly in Anglesey and Norfolk doing Air Ambulance duties like his father did. And if he is going to start royal duties young I think he will need the support of his siblings.

i can imagine William shifting the monarchy model to being more like the Dutch and Luxembourg model which is more like being monarch is a regular job. George will start formal duties after education, supports William for 10-20 years then William abdicates (retires) at c70 and George takes over. This helps the monarch present a youthful, energetic image - we don’t need another 95 year old monarch with the bulk of the work being done by the heir without the recognition.

William will get to retire young leaving Charlotte and Louis as the new Anne and Edward. Hopefully they will be under strict instructions their children need to be like Anne and Edward’s children - untitled / not using them, achieving things outside of being working royals and not milking their positions too obviously. They will have trust funds and George will hold the purse strings to further reward good behaviour (just like Charles has now).

George could be Princess of Wales before he finishes his education.

Unlikely I would have thought!

I know. A typo I have already edited. But it would certainly modernise the monarchy!!!

George will hold the purse strings to further reward good behaviour (just like Charles has now).

Who here would be happy to be beholden to their brother like this. What he seems is good behaviour...blimey! This is the problem right here and why they currently have problems.

If you started a thread saying my brother holds the purse strings and he decides what I get if I behave how he wants me to....majority of people on this forum would tell you that along to being abused and controlled financially and fuck that. Not even I would sign up to that...who here would?

I agree to us it seems strange but in their world it’s not that unusual. Estates and titles pass to the oldest son and the siblings either work, marry well or rely on their trust funds and sibling handouts. If your parents and grandparents leave you enough in trust for all your needs then great but, if they don’t or you have tastes beyond your means you better stay on your brother’s right side.

No idea, not interested in looking up either

@TravellingSomewhere If you want to work or benefit from the family firm, be it the Royal Family, the family farm or any business and expect money from said firm you follow the rules on behaviour and conduct.