Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

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We don't know how hard Trump might have gone at the UK/Starmer if he hadn't been flattered by a second State visit.

And if there were boys being trafficked, as well as girls.

Sky were showing coverage of a memorial service marking the first anniversary of Virginia Guiffres death today.

But then they cut to show, ugh, Trump addressing a presser about cancelling those Iran talks

Gordon Brown asking police to widen their investigation into AMW and his misuse of public funds.
As expected, QE2 knew but did nothing

Brown also said that when he was chancellor, the then prince demanded a fleet of aeroplanes separate from the RAF, provided by public funds. Brown said he turned down the request and informed the queen
Brown called for authorities to re-interview Andrew not just over possible breaches of the Official Secrets Act but over his use of public funds and any links to allegations that Epstein trafficked women into the UK.
He highlighted reports drawing on the Epstein files about incidents in which women were allegedly brought to UK locations such as Sandringham and Buckingham Palace, who may have been trafficked into the country by Epstein.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/apr/29/gordon-brown-andrew-mountbatten-windsor-costs-public-funds

What on earth did he need an entire fleet for?

Well done to Gordon for keeping this story in the public domain, he clearly had the measure of A back in the day but it loooks like everything was hushed up at the time, probably on the late Queens orders.

Agree @HoldMyWine Well done to Gordon Brown for keeping this going.

I loved this bit at the end

Mountbatten-Windsor has been approached for comment. petty I know but it’s got to sting him that’s he no longer a Prince & not even Mr MW.

The apathy and inaction of the Police is astonishing and shocking.

I am linking a substack. AMW renting flats for Ukrainian girls in 2010. Epstein's operation in full flow in London only months before his death.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-195326959

Anti-Slavery Commissioner Kevin Hyland said police had missed clear opportunities to act, and that with the evidence now available there was “more than enough to start an investigation"

Good luck with that, @simpsonthecat; it's not for nothing they've only focused on misconduct in public office for the so-called investigation, and if anything worthwhile comes of even that I'll eat my hat

As said so often, if it really comes down to the wire the RF will pull some "mental health" diagnosis out of the hat and that will be that

The late Queen could have asked him to keep schtum, but she had no power to silence him if he'd decided to talk. Credit to him for pursuing the matter now, but I'd have far more respect for him if he'd said - or done - something back, you know, when he was running the country

Thank you @Rhaidimiddim, for expressing what I was thinking.

I also read the comment 'QE2 knew but did nothing' and had similar thoughts
-GB had done what he was supposed to do (refused an unreasonable request) and informed the Queen; what was her role?
-Her role was to accept any decision made by her PM, and to comment on it privately, if at all.

Her role was to accept any decision made by her PM, and to comment on it privately, if at all

This suggests that her doing anything was not even expected. Yes, the government were at fault but so was she. She did nothing.

Her role was to accept that her son was out of control within his Trade Envoy position and rein him in. Not turn a blind eye. Over decades it has been that the only person he would listen to was her.

The context was a decision made by a Prime Minister: there was no role for her there other than quiet agreement.

I agree that she could have done other things differently - in particular supported Charles in his view that Andrew was not suitable for the Trade Envoy position.

Gordon Brown was Chancellor not PM when AMW demanded a fleet of aeroplanes...
Of course she would agree that such a request was out the question. It was what she was doing behind the scenes as far as her son and his behaviour that is in question.

Apologies for the error: Chancellor, not PM.

The principle is the same.

I suppose it was a "thanks for telling me" conversation without any reflection on her son's behaviour behind closed doors.

Not disagreeing with you. But Gordon Brown came into office with that knowledge.

Wikipedia tells me Gordon Brown was PM 2007 - 2010; and that AMW left his role as Trade Envoy in 2011.

I get what you're saying, honestly I do.
But QE2 held massive clout over her family and could have done more. Maybe if she had, we wouldn't be in this position now.

Personally I think he ran circles round his Mother with no accountability. And for supposedly a strong woman, she was remarkably weak as far as he was concerned!
And yes, of course Government are to blame too for allowing the situation to continue. There were enough warning bells, even at the time!
He wasn't called AirMiles Andy for nothing 😂

TLQ and the suits in BP are wholly responsible for the AMW scandal. The culture of deference and fear was maintained by her and she did fuck all to actually find out what her abusing son was up to.

Trafficking

Someone (and a Scotsman would have been my first bet as the person to do it) should have told QE2 to get her fucking house in order. The PM had that power.

How many PMs did she have? From Churchill to Truss none of them were able to tell her any home truths.

TLQ and the suits in BP are wholly responsible for the AMW scandal.

AMW is responsible for the AMW scandal.

Alongside that, in a constitutional democracy responsibility is held primarily by those in government: in this case, cabinet ministers who appointed AMW to a government position and were responsible for his work in that position.

Secondarily, yes, his mother should have listened to advice. She was 75 when he was appointed to the trade envoy role, and it is documented by one of her close advisors that AMW could be very manipulative. Royal reporters have also documented that BP and York offices were very separate ('silos') so BP often didn't know what AMW was doing.

I've said above that I think she could have done things differently - including not putting him forward for the role. Once he was in post, the primary responsibility was with the government.

Thanks for posting. Interesting.

Is it likely MW was footing the rental bill himself given an alleged fraudster with murky links to him was ensconced in a luxurious CE Mayfair flat with no evidence of rent being paid?

If he wasn't, who was?

AMW is responsible for the AMW scandal.

Well, yes.

But he couldn't have continued without the connivance / tin ears and enablement of the Palace.

Is it really credible to think the kind of successful governmental lobbyist E2 proved to be would have had zero influence had she interfered with the already much criticised appointment of her son?