Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

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I have to say I'm glad they're investigating it but I'm very sceptical about the chance of finding bodies.

How are you still sitting here saying the monarchy is still good for something....after they publicly discredit VG as a liar and since thats now proven she wasnt they have not issued an apology. Aren't you even disgusted by that? You sure are disgusted by other liars..

It is highly likely that AMW instructed BP to issue that statement and who was going to block it ?
Similarly H issued a statement condemning so - called harassment of M even though most people had never heard of her !

I saw that. I'm clearly still struggling to mentally throw off my deep seated sense of Royal deference as it made me feel quite uncomfortable. I'm not sure I agree with a pro-republican organisation deliberately arranging themselves to protest whenever the Royals appear during high profile engagements. The video is available worldwide, so the entire world gets to see our RF being stridently heckled.

The King is Head of the Commonwealth. I wonder if those nations will want to change that and choose someone else if scenes like this keep appearing. It rather undermines his 'Kingly authority' and cements a case for an elected HoS.

Degenerates?

‘Degenerates’ that’s the word I was looking for thank you.

They are totally achieving their objectives then.

I'm glad that they do arrange themselves in such a way. It's about time somebody did this and didn't give an unelected head of state and their family an easy time.

Our elected politicians get heckled frequently, and at least some people voted for them! And they can be got rid of if we choose. Why should an incredibly wealthy family used to swanning through life with people bowing and curtseying to them because of "deference" be free from similar?

It rather undermines his 'Kingly authority' and cements a case for an elected HoS.

He probably wishes his 'kingly authority' enabled him to sweep these naughty shouty people off the streets 😅

I see that lip readers have been at work again. If true, it seems they are moaning to each other and getting shifty. Still no sign that they’re actually taking on board with humility how appalling their relative is and how badly they have handled everything. It’s the baying masses ‘out there’ they’re worried about, instead of looking at themselves. They’re like frightened animals hearing the wolves closing in.

I don’t think we will have a monarchy in 20/30 years, George will be the last monarch, if it’s not William.

Article just this morning about this. His accountant and lawyer are now his executors. One of his girlfriends was a dentist and is said to have been named as a beneficiary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdjm7rxjxneo

@Gonefishingithink

I was surprised at the lip reading programme being aired but so glad it was! Am wondering if the royals are aware of it.

What was said, or how to find lip reading program please?

Wish I could help but can't remember how I discovered the lip reading programme. I will see what I can find unless anyone can post a link please. Some of the comments from the royals were just grumbles from Charles and his sister but behind those smiles they don't appear to have much regard for us mere commoners.

Surely no surprise there? 😜

thank you

The video is available worldwide, so the entire world gets to see our RF being stridently heckled.
Good. So they should. We are a democracy, with a figurehead as Head of State. Its a positive that the world gets to see that people can stand and heckle an unelected Head of State, rather than thinking we are all fawning idiots.

Or we have to bow down before them like North Korea 😂

It is highly likely that AMW instructed BP to issue that statement and who was going to block it ?

It behoves BP now to issue a statement apologising for that atrocious smear of Virginia Guiffre. Let's see Camilla and Sophie at least putting their money where their mouths are in terms of their campaigning against violence against women and girls.

Exactly and I have been saying this but these RF superfans refuse to hear any criticisms of their beloved members, but they have one thing in common that H&M are the devil incarnate and have done worse and were bringing down the RF...but oops looks like they were wrong as its Andrew who is single handley doing it...and good so sick of these grifters who think they above us and the law.

For a long time now historians have said Andrew is THE crisis for the monarchy and his wrongdoings will unravel everything.

Not Harry and Meghan who are just an irritant to them

What is going on now with AMW is far far bigger

Look , I dislike AMW as much as the next person and in no way defending him however my ( vague) understanding of the Law is that while he is still under investigation, it would be unwise for further statements to be made .
Maybe our legal experts can clarify ?

We all know nothing will ever come of the investigation. He will never face prosecution.

Maybe I am unrealistic but I actually think there will be further action .

I don’t believe the lie that all the Windsors were fooled by Andrews protestations of innocence . Who would fall for that ? There were decades of reports on Andrew. They knew . That statement was the old playbook of pit the whole weight of the institution against an individual and try to crush them.

I’m more interested in how being HRH protects the whole lot of them. Even sovereign immunity is an embarrassment- that needs urgent reform . No other head of state in a so called democracy has such protection- ie it doesn’t cover serious criminality and it ends when they leave office.

Royal immunity is complete and for life - as it’s for life it should be stripped back to as little immunity as possible .

The question as to whether the term ‘household’ covered Andrew etc has not been tested in court . But I’ve also read that HRH adds protection as the CPS then have an additional barrier to reach in order to prosecute - public interest. Then there’s the layers of secrecy, no FOI , security etc to get through . So it is not the whole story to say only the monarch has immunity. Charles has ( medieval levels of ) immunity but the rest of them have more protection than the rest of us - for no reason. William has more immunity again - why? He’s not head of state .

So it’s not just Charles who has additional protection from the law- that’s not the whole story. It never is with the Windsors is it ? Once you look beyond the surface .