Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

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Catching up so have only just seen this but that's quite some protest. Very well organised.

It must be the closest Republic have ever been allowed to get to the royal action to date. Good for them.

C3 & W both look like they could spit...

Deference is disappearing. About fucking time.

I'm giving it ten to fifteen after W takes the helm.

People seem to see him as the great saving hope when all the evidence so far is that he intends to do the barest minimum while stuffing his trousers with cash.

That won't fall well with an already disaffected public.

But the King is Britain no?

His personal dignity is therefore Britain's dignity. He's part of our collective identity (By 'we' I refer to the country as a whole, not myself or clearly many on this thread)

That's why we say 'God Save the King' and not 'God save Great Britain' there's no need to, as the King is symbolically Britain itself. It's also partly why the Monarch has a dedicated separate Kings Guard. So when he's being heckled in a very organised way for the entire world to see, does it not also diminish our standing and respect for our country in the eyes of those abroad, as it undermines the Royal Family?

Does it not also imply guilt by association to Andrew even though nothing concrete has been discovered that directly points to Charles or William having intimate knowledge of Andrew's crimes (even if one sensibly assumes they must of known something)

As a Brit, I understand our complicated relationship to the Royal Family, but do those abroad understand it the way we do?

Judging by comments I sometimes see on social media by people abroad...I would say not. Do we want to appear diminished as a country to others, a country in turmoil with no stability?

Up until now, the senior Royals have been useful as an instrument of our soft power. Sophie demonstrated this just the other day when she was given access to high ranking Minsters in Kenya as part of our foreign strategic partnership there and her work with VAWG. We should not do anything to dilute that soft power influence, particularly now, when the world is in upheaval.

I think that the Royal Family should be replaced with an elected Head of State, but until such a transition, the office should still be accorded respect and neither KCIII or William have been actually found to be guilty of knowing, aiding or abetting Andrew's degenerate illegal behaviours (and I personally think they knew something, but proof wise, there's nothing)

The office (the curtsey technically is acknowledgment of the authority of the office, not to the person perse) must retain respect, until such time as there is a transition to something more democratic.

It's on C5.

Two episodes so far. Not sure if there are more to come but what they already have is well worth a watch.

It must be the closest Republic have ever been allowed to get to the royal action to date

Perhaps they felt they couldn't risk more arrests after the distasteful events at the coronation, @CathyorClaire?

Certainly it looks bad on the world stage to see Charles heckled, but maybe he should consider that the answer is to avoid the kind of choices which lead to this

As for whether Commonwealth members may wish to replace him, with a man of 77 nature will take care of that soon enough, but it's worth remembering that his role as their head isn't hereditary and that mummy had to ask them to give him the job when she passed

William will be worse than Charles .

Well done Republic.

’What did you know ?’

That should be chanted at them every time they appear because that is the key question. And ‘oh they can’t speak because there is an investigation’ is a fig leaf

It goes deeper than that . How long did they know before an investigation was forced on them by international revelations?
That is the question that will haunt them .

Yes, but what are their objectives?

The complete dissolution of the Royal Family itself or a replacement with an elected of state which position can be filled by people from all stratas of society, including those born with a literal silver spoon in their still toothless gums? Or a complete doing away with the entire concept of a constitutional head altogether?

He probably wishes his 'kingly authority' enabled him to sweep these naughty shouty people off the streets

I think anyone would want them removed if they were the ones being heckled. But yes, you're very probably correct where Charles is concerned and have the imperious tone right.

At least with an elected head of state the citizens of the country have the power to elect them. They have no power over a monarchy.

The finances of the RF across the board should be completely transparent. That is the minimum expectation.

It's a good watch. Shows KC to be an angry petulant brat. He clearly resents having to take part in anything that takes longer than 10 minutes or having to put up with any discomfort.

Thank you and yes it could be after William takes the ‘helm’. If he doesn’t change things and streamline or more stuff comes out, that shows KC and William knew about AMW, then I think it could be sooner than that.

well then @Ukisgaslit you should be happy that AMW is shining a light on the RF.

Im a constitutional monarchist, but I want them properly accountable, not this deference, which isn’t good for them or the country imo.

Not even the BBC think they add any value when they chose to show Escape from the Country instead of the commonwealth service they attended.

Pretty big thing for the BBC to do that.

@TightlyLacedCorset

The problem is the entire structure around the monarchy in the uk is shrouded in secrecy. They are above the law when they say so - and exclude themselves . We have at its core a medieval king - in terms of what matters- power to set himself above the law.
We have no constitution to rein the Windsors in and they take advantage of every grey area.
How else can opposition and protest express itself as it has a right to other than this ?
And the Windsors haven’t a clue how t deal with it . They tried arresting and shutting up protesters - that back fired . They are clueless .

Soft power is a myth . Look at all the smoozing of Trump -( though based on his starstruck appearance in Paris William is a fan) where did that get us?

The ‘pomp’ is only a few hundred years old - it was brought in when the Hanoverians took over and their shaky claim needed some shiny things to distract from public protest- yes it happened then too.

@GoldBthehypo
I wonder if that is tit for tat since Kate has gone with ITV for her Carol service?

Oh yes the soft power bs line that gets trotted out by the rf superfans on here to justify their importance..I had to laugh because you're right all those articles talking about william and his influence through soft power and oh dear...it means nothing, it didnt last long

All that money spent on that dinner, hosting them what an utter waste

@GoldBthehypo
Totally agree. The absolute farce of the private carriage ride around the grounds of Windsor castle. Not sure who looked worse - the RF or Trump.

You do realise that the Government were behind the State visit and the itinerary?

The government thought the RF's supposed soft power would do some good with Trump.

It's the laughable notion of that that's the point, not who organised it.

I totally agree.

Of course they cannot stand there and give an interview to hecklers. As if! But it is the only way for the public to apply pressure and yes, it is when did you know that is key, to me. (Yes, I have written to my MP)

Because if it comes out that there has been a rotting fish in the royal family that is now affecting them all, and they knew, maybe change can come about in some way as far as transparency. Because yes the age of deference has gone. The sycophantic royalists can go on admiring Kate's hair and dresses, but deference has eroded and it will never ever come back.

Ah thanks from me too as I had forgotten where I saw it.
One program I avoided was the recent Ten Dresses of Catherine or some such title. I've just seen a clip of the most expensive gowns she's worn, £10k each and upwards. Some very much more. Beautiful dresses just superb. Probably worn once or maybe twice.
They live in another world and they deserve pity because they've been brainwashed and are imprisoned in their world.

A friend claims she's a royalist. I asked why. She struggled to find a sensible answer so simply said her parents were so she is too. What?!

@Mylovelygreendress
Of course I know that. Doesn't make the whole sorry event less of a farce though does it? Especially after the events of the last two weeks.

Yes, we know, we are told incessantly. Which is why I wrote to my MP

Seems like all the men in the rf have anger problems that the RF superfans loce to ignore. We hear plenty about Williams rage, Charles was accused of bullying his gardener, te.meber that pen incident at his coronation.

The fact there are lots of sources that say these things about the male members of the rf...

The pen incident was shocking. He must be a nightmare behind closed doors. He couldn't even hold it together in front of the cameras over such a trivial matter. I remember Camilla looking worried and embarrassed.