Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy Part 3

[simpsonthecat]

Here we are

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It has not gone unnoticed that Prince Harry was the first royal to publicly criticise Andrew, highlighting what he saw as hypocrisy in the family’s treatment of different scandals. In his memoir Spare, he wrote that despite the allegations against Andrew, “no one had even suggested removing his security”. Indeed, even yesterday as he left the police station after being arrested, two royal protection officers were in the car with him.

Man alive

I do think that AMW will receive some sort of punishment. I don’t mean anything to do with titles / houses but through the legal process .

What do you envisage?

While we all might like to see him having to bunk up with Mr Big on a fixed term deal, I can't see it any more than I can see an ankle tag, a curfew or giving the local community centre a lick of paint while sporting a jumpsuit in his future.

A fair enough take if it had been an interview by William on his mental health - but it wasn't.

It was a panel discussion with 4 other guests: 2 musicians who regularly speak out about mental health, a young man with a history of mental health issues, and the clinician who runs the charity who helped him, one of the organisations instrumental in setting up the National Suicide Prevention Framework with the support of the Royal Foundation.

Not remotely the setting for William to start changing the subject.

I think many people in Gen Z would have trouble knowing who many of them are.

I think that it's inevitable that they will have to 'modernise' if for no other reasons than to protect the next generation from the toxicity of the institution and to preserve national security.

That inevitably will make them just like anyone else.

No.

I think the interview was pre recorded anyway. William doesn't do anything in the school holidays and it was half term. But I do think the article is right. My kids have no interest in the RF. They don't see any purpose in them. I don't knows why William bothers really. He's going to be King no matter what. I think his best chance of survival is just do nothing and hope apathy saves him. I doubt Prince 4 forever homes is going to convince young people of anything really when they are struggling with work, student loans and rents.
Fwiw I don't see AMW doing time either. Either they will say he's not fit to stand trial or they don't think he can get a fair trial or something and he'll go to the ME.

especially as the 55+ crowd die out in the next 1-2 decades and with them, their unquestioning support

Life expectancy figures don't support your assertions but in any case many fall into into that age range with no intention of demonstrating unquestioning support or dying on a royal hill.

Thank you. That did make me smile.

I turn 55 next week and have no intention of ‘dying out’ just yet. I also don’t support the monarchy and never have - my youth was Margaret Thatcher and the fallout of the disastrous royal marriages, not Churchill and George VI boosting our morale to get us through the war!

Yes all the unquestioning RF supporters I know are in their 70's and above. I am in my 50's and of my contemporaries I don't know anyone who supports them. Most wouldn't be able to pick Prince Edward out of a lineup!

What age generally are the Sandringham Christmas Day loons?

I think you've nailed it there

I just cant see young people being the slightest bit interested in anything remotely to do with the royal family. Times have changed immeasurably. My DCs and their partners (all in their 30s) either dislike them because of the inequality of it all, or just didn't care. They have got bigger fish to fry.

Yes, nothing will happen with AMW but the Palace will think that they have been seen to try and do something.

I do think more will come out too

Much as I would like to see him in jail I agree that it isn’t very likely but perhaps house arrest ? My husband thinks it should be the Tower !

Presumably - and understandably- he has been deemed at risk .

The uber stan John Loughrey is 70 years old now, but started in his 40s I think when he was obsessed with Diana.

I agree, would be a lovely historical throwback

I actually don't think this is all going to be swept under the carpet, I think the RF are going to well and truly throw him under the bus. I agree that he might end up under house arrest, although has that ever been a thing in the UK?

No such thing as house arrest in the uk. Closest thing is being tagged and given a curfew.

Yes.

Yes, all of these. We have to hope there will be better coming, and do what we can in our own lives.

At least we are now a lot more suspicious- part of the reason these happened is arguably due to too much trust/deference/intimidation due to hierarchy.

What beans do you think Mandelson could spill?

To be fair, I don't think the personal lives of royals like Margaret are really relevant : what IS relevant are financial corruption, obviously child abuse (which looks increasingly likely Mountbatten committed, we will have to wait for the documentary about it that Andrew Lownie announced on Andrew Gold's Heretics podcast). Marriages now appear to be happier at least, which obviously was an issue in the past...

Exactly, it was Edward & Elizabeth who were more Protestant.

The literal Droit de Seigneur didn't, but sexual exploitation of servants was common in Victorian era here, in many other countries too. That's why many women became prostitutes often : they were servants who'd been thrown out for getting pregnant.

But the Queen's parents were older than she was, born 1900s, would they necessarily have been any more pro modernisation?

Agree re abdication. The Dutch Monarchs I think all abidicate once they reach a certain age, and that's good imo.

I might be being unfair on Margaret, but what I'm trying to get at is that a wide range of sexual behaviour was tolerated in aristocratic and royal circles. There is a sense that marriage was a duty but anything else was fine as long as it was discrete.

I get the sense that they wouldn't have known where to draw the line. Andrew likes girls. Sometimes people invite girls to parties for Andrew. Sometimes people supply girls. That kind of girl provides a service. That kind of girl can be used. That kind of girl is causing trouble. What do we need to do to get rid of that girl?

Exactly. I think maybe a happier marriage might have deterred Andrew's playboy antics a bit but his actions were his own choice.
Sarah was a mess but she didn't force him to be bad.

Moreover, I think Koo Stark would have been horrendously slut-shamed for the films she did : 2 soft porn, (one based on De Sade's Justine) where she didn't have any actual sex, but the 80s media would not have been forgiving. Whereas the horrible fuss over Diana's virginity arguably seemed outdated even then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_(1976_film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_Passion