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Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3

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bluegreygreen · 19/02/2026 13:46

This is the third thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) are bringing against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).

Thread 1

Thread 2

Since the celebrities have given evidence, there has been limited direct reporting from court; what there is has mostly been on this link
Sky News link to court case

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Ohpleeeease · 02/04/2026 15:59

Harry’s mistake is thinking people liked Colin Firth when they actually liked Darcy.

Genius.

elessar · 02/04/2026 20:19

Poppiesmocking · 02/04/2026 11:13

I wonder how much he is actually engaging with the court case though. It may be he feels he has delegated it to his lawyer (who will put his own spin on it) so barely be aware of the emails or the implications of what they mean for his evidence or character. Past behaviour suggests it is hard for honest voices to break through to him.

I doubt he’s engaging with the case, but as it’s hit the media I think he’ll be aware of it - we know he and Meghan obsess over any coverage of themselves!

bluegreygreen · 02/04/2026 22:20

Thanks @CraftyGin

Rough summary below for those who don't want to watch the video. I will say it's a good video and he makes some pertinent points.

Recollections may vary
Always been suspicious of this court case - sees it as an attack broadly on freedom of speech
Doesn't like how we have judge-made privacy laws that parliament would never pass; not that parliament objects to them having come about but parliament would never have passed them directly because they would have benefited MPs & peers, and people would have seen through that and been hostile to them.
Thought the political cost of reining in the press was one that politicians would never be able to pay
David Mellor's 'last chance saloon' was empty threat - were never going to legislate for the benefit of politicians
But did it by the back door
Human Rights Act brings in ECHR - right to private life

'Right to private life' used by rich, famous and powerful to stop unpleasant stories being printed about them or to get damages if they are; most famous case Max Mosley.
Thinks if papers get information and it is true, should be able to publish
With Duke of Wellington: Publish and be damned
There are libel laws if untrue
Celebrities say that it will affect their children: they ought to have thought about that before they misbehaved
Media and celebrities have a symbiotic relationship: celebrities have publicists who feed stories to the media when it's helpful for celebrities but they don't like it when it's not controlled by them
Doesn't think that's a fair deal - if you 'sup with the devil' you should accept what comes
Has always got on OK with journalists - father was one - accepts that they need to get stories; recognised that politicians and journalists need things from each other
Fair equilibrium until you got privacy laws interfering, which meant that celebrities and politicians could use the media but the media couldn't print the truth about them
Thinks that is what this case is about

Also surprised at apparent naiveté of some of the celebrities who seem to think that their friends don't leak; nobody could be in politics for a week without realising that everybody leaks
if you're in that circle where journalists, celebrities and politicians meet, stories get about; sometimes people are paid, sometimes gossip, sometimes 'sources close to' is person himself
All legitimate for newspapers to print and totally different to hacking etc which is covered by other laws apart from privacy laws
Not worried about laws banning hacking/illegal surveillance - quite proper, but using privacy as the offence and trying to stop things being published because of that is fundamentally hostile to freedom of speech

Recollections may vary (again) - some comments re PH/CG
'Movie snuggles' whatever movie snuggles are
Thinks he may not be lying but have forgotten after 15 yrs what he's talked to her about
People give away information about themselves, not necessarily deliberately, may be accidentally, and forget they've ever done it
Information often comes from the principals themselves, and it must be reasonable to print what has been said directly to journalists even if not intended

Earnest hope that this case does not succeed; does not want to see further constraints on freedom of the press; wants freedom of the press upheld; the cost of that is that people in the public eye, including himself, will have unpleasant or embarrassing stories written about them
Price worth paying for free press; privacy laws are dangerous

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GwendolineFairfax8 · 02/04/2026 23:25

@bluegreygreen agree with you that it’s a good video

ThePoshUns · 03/04/2026 05:06

Thanks for the summary @bluegreygreen, I have to say I agree with what he says.

CraftyGin · 03/04/2026 07:30

ThePoshUns · 03/04/2026 05:06

Thanks for the summary @bluegreygreen, I have to say I agree with what he says.

For me, this court case is all about maintaining a free press. This is in order to hold our leaders and role models (and any leaches) to account.

The free press challenges those that say, 'do as I say and not as I do' and does not tolerate hypocrisy.

ShamedBySiri · 03/04/2026 07:45

Thanks for the summary. I will listen when I’m doing my ironing.

Jacob RM was my MP for a while until we moved. I contacted him about proposals via the law commission to change surrogacy laws (for the worse). Of course I expected him to be on side as he’s catholic. Anyway he was very concerned, we had a lovely chat on the phone (it was during Covid and we couldn’t meet in person), he contacted relevant ministers and kept me updated. I received a beautiful Christmas card (I love a nice Madonna and babe), obviously the card would have been one he sent to all constituents he was in contact and everyone else on his list, but it became a family joke. DD would say “shouldn’t you be writing to your boyfriend soon? He’ll be missing you. Wondering if you are ghosting him”. 😂😂😂

My new MP is lib dem and enthusiastically for everything I’m against, I was so furious with her on assisted dying I just haven’t had the appetite to contact her about anything else. What’s the point? 🤷‍♀️☹️

MrsLeonFarrell · 03/04/2026 08:03

Interesting comments from JRM. Even a stopped clock etc!

The problem with this case from the outside is that the case was brought claiming that illegal information gathering was happening but all the celebrity witnesses provided no evidence beyond a touching belief in their friends' discretion and a complete ignorance of the fact that staff and service providers can also speak.

If The Mail is found guilty then I do think freedom of the press is at risk because of the lack of evidence. I don't like the story doesn't mean it was illegal.

Ballah · 03/04/2026 08:23

Thanks @bluegreygreenfor taking the time to listen and write up that summary. It’s quite simple really - they are looking for a one way street and exploiting privacy / right to a family life over accountability.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 03/04/2026 08:54

Ballah · 03/04/2026 08:23

Thanks @bluegreygreenfor taking the time to listen and write up that summary. It’s quite simple really - they are looking for a one way street and exploiting privacy / right to a family life over accountability.

Remember Hugh Grant used his own child to raise a complaint about press intrusion.

You will not see photographs of his children in the papers as he has an injunction (reasonable were he not using them for his own agenda).

Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3
Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 3
RecoIIectionsMayVary · 03/04/2026 09:09

Another thanks @bluegreygreen I am one of the dying breed (although I imagine my fellows may be on this thread) that much rather consume information by reading than watching.

Poppiesmocking · 03/04/2026 09:49

It astounds me how hypocritical Harry is complaining about the press then doing exactly the same thing as them in Spare.

GwendolineFairfax8 · 03/04/2026 10:01

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 03/04/2026 09:09

Another thanks @bluegreygreen I am one of the dying breed (although I imagine my fellows may be on this thread) that much rather consume information by reading than watching.

I find it very powerful to watch someone as a better gauge to sincerity (or not).

I am not a fan of JRM but think he comes across very well in the video - probably because I agree with everything he says!

bluegreygreen · 03/04/2026 10:38

I don't like the story doesn't mean it was illegal.

I think this is the one line summary of the case, @MrsLeonFarrell.

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ThePoshUns · 03/04/2026 11:15

Poppiesmocking · 03/04/2026 09:49

It astounds me how hypocritical Harry is complaining about the press then doing exactly the same thing as them in Spare.

I know he really can’t see it , he’s so thick it’s embarrassing

bluegreygreen · 04/04/2026 13:50

I just want to thank everyone on these threads who have helped to keep them going fairly peaceably over the period of the trial.

Thanks to all who contributed with thoughtful comments, opinions, links and legal information. Hopefully we will be able to convene again when the judgement is out!

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Ballah · 04/04/2026 14:03

bluegreygreen · 04/04/2026 13:50

I just want to thank everyone on these threads who have helped to keep them going fairly peaceably over the period of the trial.

Thanks to all who contributed with thoughtful comments, opinions, links and legal information. Hopefully we will be able to convene again when the judgement is out!

Agree. It’s been really interesting having such informed intelligent contributions try to understand the complexities. Do we have a rough date as to when a judgement will be made? And do we know how it’s done - is it a document issued or a recall to court for an announcement. Is there an appeal process?

jeffgoldblum · 04/04/2026 14:23

There has been rumblings that nicklin may surprise us with a rather quick judgment after Easter! , apparently ( and I’m probably not remembering quite right here ) he’s got a promotion or new job level and wants to finish up everything before it happens.

meercat23 · 04/04/2026 14:24

Just wanted to add my thanks too. I have followed these threads throughout and it has been great to know what is happening and what people think of it all.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/04/2026 14:38

Well said, @bluegreygreen - and here's to more sensible discussion when the decision comes out

NormalAuntFanny · 04/04/2026 15:26

Me too, have greatly enjoyed this particular thread.

I won't be holding my breath for a swift judgement, the poor judge will have his work cut out to balance the Judiciary's habitual deference to royals with the absolute shitshow of Harry et als cases.

He does seem to share the Bar's apparent widespread dislike of Sherbourne at least so it's hard to imagine any wholesale victory against the Mail.

Bizarre to be rooting for them but I am all the same. 🙃

Curlygirl06 · 04/04/2026 15:31

Generally speaking, what's everyone's thoughts on what the decision will be?
I've been reading this all through, again thanks to everyone for their sensible contributions, but I'm not sure there'll be much cheering in the streets on Montecito at the end of it.
What would happen if some stories were thought/ proved to be uig, but some weren't for the claimants? Would they then have to pay lawyers fees proportionally? For example,2 of the stories Harry complained about were uig, but the others weren't?

CraftyGin · 04/04/2026 17:01

Curlygirl06 · 04/04/2026 15:31

Generally speaking, what's everyone's thoughts on what the decision will be?
I've been reading this all through, again thanks to everyone for their sensible contributions, but I'm not sure there'll be much cheering in the streets on Montecito at the end of it.
What would happen if some stories were thought/ proved to be uig, but some weren't for the claimants? Would they then have to pay lawyers fees proportionally? For example,2 of the stories Harry complained about were uig, but the others weren't?

We've only seen what has been reported from court, and mostly from the seemingly pro-Sussex Victoria Ward of the Telegraph. As an amateur and who only knows the law from novels, I haven't seen anything that favours the claimants.

Dan Wooton thinks the only person who might be found against is Rebecca English on the ectopic pregnancy story, but then this information was never published. Maybe Dan was attempting to appear 'balanced'.

A lawyer on Reddit thinks the judgement will come soon, but everything else has pointed to September.

I think the last thing anyone wants is the charade of an appeal, so it is probably for the best if Nicklin takes his time.

I never usually get involved in royal family or celeb threads, but this story has interested me for the sole reason of ensuring a free press to hold all public figures to account.

ThePoshUns · 04/04/2026 17:36

I agree , this has been one of the best threads on MN, it’s been interesting with some really insightful posts. I look forward to discussing the findings with you. I haven’t seen any evidence that supports the claimants but am conscious I have only read what has been reported on. Happy Easter all.

BasiliskStare · 04/04/2026 18:10

Yes Thank you @bluegreygreen - I will be looking forward to the results. Really interesting thread - Thank You 💐