AMW arrested …

[fairmaidofutopia]

At last …. 😊

I only hope that the police and cps are 100% sure that they have enough evidence that meets the criteria for Misconduct in a Public Office, for a prosecution to go ahead and it doesn't get to court only for the evidence to be not strong enough.
I was a witness in an abuse case, it went to court, I was questioned and cross examined. We were then told that the case wouldn't go any further due to 'an abuse of process' (witnesses for the accused were deceased) so a fair trial wasn't possible. I hope similar doesn't happen with AMW .

They will accessible to the police investigation. The public don’t currently also need to see them as trial by media would prejudice any trial.

Ahh I didn’t realise that the police would have access Serenster. That’s good.

He does have a PhD.

In a civilised country, which we are supposed to be, a duty of care is owed to everyone, even those who have committed despicable crimes. This is one of the aspects of safeguarding work which is hardest for many to understand. So many just want punishment but in this country we are supposed to care about justice. In the same way we don't have the death penalty for those who kill. I would rather live in a country that has the humanity to treat criminals and alleged criminals with basic humanity than one that lives by mob rule.

Lots is coming out about people in power who treat other people as things (to use Terry Pratchett's definition of what evil is), I don't want our justice system to become part of that.

We are, or should be, better than that.

Good question!

I think I read somewhere he gets a pension from the military (army? navy? can't remember)
Im sure i read that somewhere, but I could be wrong.

On BBC news this morning, they said he still has security etc. That's who picked him up from the cop shop. But who is paying for that? Not sure.

Jonathan Dimbleby was wanging on, the news this morning, about Andrew only having a little bit of money, but he didnt give specifics.

I suppose it's all relative. Andrew could have £1 million.

In my world, that's huge amount. My life would be brilliant with that.
But I suppose in the Royal world, that's poverty 🤣

Totally agree, and exactly why I really hate the frenzy that things like this whip up on MN. Reminds me of the Two Minute Hate from 1984.

Andrew will have trust funds and income from shares, stuff like that. It probably doesn't seem like a lot to him but relative to most people he will still be wealthy. Charles is hosting him and giving him a small allowance iirc, it restricts him but that's a good thing.

The security is probably necessary at the moment, he must be getting threats with all that is coming out about Epstein.

His security will be critical and they can’t leave him without, he is likely paying for it himself right now, as he does the girls. Andrew not having money isn’t like others not having money, he just won’t have 10 million in the bank. But he will have more than enough to pay for himself and his own security, his horses, cars and whatever other lifestyle choices he makes, inc staff,

Wise words as ever, MrsLF, though I honestly believe it's not so much reasonable care many would object to, but preferential treatment and a response coordinated according to what the palace would prefer

Unfortunately - as discussed on so many issues - that's what we get all too often, and the will doesn't seem to be there to change it

Whether it'll happen here remains o be seen, but frankly I'm not hopeful

I imagine AMW will have been treated with respect at the police station. I think he will have had to go through what any other person arrested does, but the police will have been polite. Fingerprints, photo, reading his rights etc. They will have done it by the book.

Preferential treatment is a different thing and I agree no one should receive that due to wealth our social position. I suspect if Andrew had shown any remorse or apologised he would have retained more support from the establishment.

Charles is most likely paying for his security. I would assume security and possibly even free rent (maybe even help with bills) will have been part of the negotiations to move him from Royal Lodge.

He’ll have trust funds and they’ll all have income from investments made for them. The Queen Mother left significant trust funds for her great-grandchildren and I’d lay money that she did the same for at least Andrew and Edward as Charles and Anne very likely had them from George Vi and maybe even Queen Mary as they were both alive with Charles and Anne were born.

He’s likely piss poor in rich people terms, but not remotely poor in normal folks terms.

They have asked for access to the unredacted Epstein files as part of the investigatiom

They should ask for the trade envoy files too. Why are they still sealed?

Given they are investigating Andrew for misfeasance in that very role, I am certain the police will have taken steps to access those records.

I’m not talking about the justice system I am confident everyone is cared for - I am talking about the tin eared proclamations of Prince William and KC3’s best friend J Dimblby publicly expressing their concern for AMW mental health when at least one of his victims has taken her own life. Bad move for them from a PR perspective - shows where there priorities are - how does this feel to the victims and their motherless children and families

I should hope so. It's evidence surely. I can't see how Parliament can justify their frankly self serving and stupid collective decision not to discuss the RF in Parliament either and there are a good number of MPs who have been calling for the documents to be unsealed. Everyone involved in this fawning deference to the Monarchy has had a small part to play in this.

Has William actually released a statement to this effect or is it a matter of "sources" claiming he was concerned? I would be concerned for my uncle's mental health in this situation, even if I didn't like him and/or agreed with the arrest. People can have sympathy for more than one person at the same time. Again it's important to retain common humanity.

Can they access sealed records though, Serenster?

I honestly don't know, but thought you just might ... ?

Firstly, I imagine they would ask the Cabinet Office to give them access - public bodies are often happy to cooperate with the Police. If that was turned down however, they can issue a Production Notice under The Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (which generally allows then access to files that are considered confidential) and/or they could also apply to the Court for a search warrant. They could ask for a specific warrant to look at highly confidential material - a warrant can be granted under Official Secrets Act for example if a breach of that Act is suspected - quite possible in this case given the broad allegations against Andrew?

Thank you!

Someone asked this question earlier this week, and someone else produced a link to an article in (I think) Marie-Claire.

But this claim that W has expressed concern for his uncle's mental health is being taken as established fact, being used to beat up on him, and as proof that he is as bad as the rest.

It was also posted on here that it was Anne who was the one concerned about his mental health! 🤷‍♀️

Just seen a very disturbing picture ( on the fail sadly ) of AMW playing with a toddler with a ball that was a breast shape complete with nipple
He’s disgusting and I think needs a deep investigation- there is something wrong with him

I saw that, but surely it's ai or photoshopped. Surely....

If it's real, then wtaf?