How come William chose to ignore the massive elephant in the room and no one challenged him on it?

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Prince William spoke about the very important subject of mh yesterday on Radio One and while it’s a subject that should be highlighted, does no one else think that his credibility on this issue has now been damaged by the AMW case?

He may not have been personally responsible for the alleged cover up, and he may well loathe Uncle Andrew, but he is still a central player in the institution that helped to pay off and cover up the voices of AMW’s alleged victims? Virginia Giuffre took her own life fhs! He can’t just ignore it!

To me this interview came across as incredibly unintelligent and insensitive in current circumstances. And proof that William himself just doesn’t “get it”.

Why on earth did he not say that in the light of current circumstances and out of respect for victims; the interview couldn’t go ahead?

Or why did his new ex crisis manager PR person not advise this?

And why was he allowed to sit there by the BBC and not address this?

And what about the mh of the Palace staff who have suffered because of AMW’s boorish and inappropriate behaviour for years? The nanny who allegedly left because of AMW being inappropriate and the policeman whose arm was hurt by AMW’s speeding at Windsor? The maids who were screamed at? What about the mental health of the police protection offices who quite recently were, according to Lownie, reminded about their NDAs and the safety of their pensions if they spoke out?

I don’t think it’s good enough any longer for a senior member of the RF to sit there and say yet again in a rather generic way “we all need to talk about our mental health” while ignoring what their own institution has covered up for years and is still allegedly trying to suppress?

And the BBC should hold some accountability about this too!

I see it as quite the opposite
Some individuals have integrity.
The ‘higher’ you go the rarer that quality is .

I don’t know for sure! He’s alluded to sources in various interviews. I suspect they may be ex intelligence?

Sorry, I don get t what you mean ? Can you clarify.

So you think it’s ok for our intelligence services to be passing into to someone for their book - the mind boggles.

I don’t think ‘because integrity’ would get you very far!

Re Norman Baker’s sources:
He was a privy councillor but most of the information he collated is available if you search

Most people who call themselves royalists are supporting an image that the tabloids built , nothing more . They either don’t want to know the truth or can’t be bothered to find out
How many have read ‘and what do you do ?

In a conversation with Eugene Levy he has said that any changes he makes will not be "overly radical".

So, anyone expecting "a new start" will likely be disappointed.

It’s a fair point that had the Epstein case not been investigated in the USA and the files not released, then Lownie would probably still be one of a very few voices speaking out and the RF may still be covering up AMW’s nefarious activities even now!

As it happens, the Epstein files verify almost everything that Lownie wrote in Entitled, even the stuff about Mandelsohn that he had to leave out for legal reasons.

So I do feel he has achieved a lot, yes. It’s not easy to go against the establishment and stick your head above the parapet.

Lownie is a monarchist believe it or not. His obsession as a historian and Trustee of the Campaign for Freedom of Information is the correct preservation of records so that history is recorded accurately, (I don’t know him but I once heard him give a lecture about this years ago.)

Oh i see. But at least he hasnt been supporting a creep like AMW. I do think William wants to do a good job. Charles, imo, has got too much baggage. I know Charles is considered to be a nice man with some good views, but he just strikes me as rather too tainted by everything that has gone on over the years.

It’s as Ukisgaslit said.

If you discover that something is seriously rotten in a powerful organisation

And that it is being covered up

Do you have more integrity if you speak up and assist an investigation that is happening anyway?

Or do you have more integrity if you stay quiet?

If you truly believe in your country and what is best for it?

Thank you 💐I appreciate your apology but the misunderstanding is completely understandable. There are new posts every few minutes and emotions are running high on all sides.

FWIW, I've agreed with pretty much al of your posts on this thread.

I dont think W should have to explain the actions of his uncle, granny, dad , the firm management

he is right to distance himself entirely whilst he’s POW

I think your second paragraph is so important UKisgaslight

And that is why I rattle around this RF board even though I think a Republic would be better for the UK.

I think if you are a true monarchist, and care about what is truly best for this group of nations, then you would want to have a head of state who acts with wisdom, probity, transparency and accountability.

Less bling and more trustworthiness!

I happen to think that huge wealth corrupts all of the above, but if we must have a constitutional monarch then we need to slim down extensively to a European model, they must pay tax on assets, they must be subject to the same laws as we are, and subject to formal outside independent scrutiny.

There is an intense campaign to try to distance William from Andrew
It won’t work .
William was part of the attempted rehabilitation of Andrew and appeared to have no issue with Andrew - until we knew more of course .

To return to the subject of the thread, this is what worries me about William.

The jury is out so to speak.

In the end, you never know, this entire scandal may be a good thing because William has now had laying out before him a lesson in what happens if you are not transparent and accountable.

I do have doubts though as this may clash with his very strong views on privacy.

I hope he can see the difference between privacy in your private life and transparency and accountability in your professional role.

I think this was before all this. I don't think he'll get away with that now. Especially if the people who should have been doing their jobs of scrutinising there Monarchy ( namely Parliament and the press) start doing it. He probably thought he could get away with some tinkering while still keeping his financial and other affairs secret but he can't do that without the industrial scale cover up and deference his grandmother commanded. They all have plenty of privacy.

Just to address this post.

No, sorry I don't agree with that.

At the end of the day, a person in our intelligence services passed info to another person for the purposes of a book they were writing. You can dress it up as 'integrity' if you like, I call it concerning.

In any other situation the passing on of confidential information would have people up in arms, which as it happens, here we are. 🤷‍♀️

I am not very up on the details of this Ukisgaslit tbh

To be clear, as a Republican, I think it is exactly these sort of ambivalent family loyalties that stop you doing a good professional job as a royal!

But, if I may ask, to be strictly fair, what proof do we have that W was willingly involved in AMW’s rehabilitation? Everything I have read points to both William and Harry loathing their uncle.

I think there is a passage or two about AMW’s attempted rehabilitation in Entitled now I come to think of it. I will re-read.

I have a thread on here with some dates/receipts that answer the question of William's 'supporting' Andrew, to some extent. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5492697-proof-that-the-palace-protected-andrew-while-pretending-not-to?page=1

And I agree with @Ukisgaslit. William's crisis manager is going hard in trying to separate the Waleses from Andrew. Talking about Ascot and the chilly vibes between Kate and Beatrice and how Beatrice and Eugenie will rue the day they crossed William and Kate etc. etc

Well I thihk this is partly about being judicious and knowing who to trust. You may disagree, but Lownie is far from a hack. He reports as he finds.

But this is also about why transparency is so important so that we don’t have to rely on whistleblowers.

Remember the Cambridge Five?

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/explore-the-collection/the-collection-blog/confessions-from-the-cambridge-five/

There is always a possibility of corruption in office! Any office!

And wealth and deference get in the way of accountability.

PS Edited to say that Lownie wrote a great book on Guy Burgess which was the point of that link

Thank you very much PumpkinPieAlibi

I will have a look!

I think if you see the sole purpose of the RF is to keep themselves and their family on the Throne they will do whatever it takes. If they thought they could carry on as usual and pretend there was nothing to see here, and it would all blow over then they would do that. If they now realise they have to distance themselves they will do that. It has nothing to do with whether they like someone or not. Just purely a matter of survival. They are surrounded by people who have been able to threaten public officials and the press into silence. Now those people are panicking and desperately trying to cut the rest of them off from AMW.

I’m curious @Daygloboo - why do you think William wants to do a good job?

I’m not focusing on you directly, I’m genuinely curious what sources people are forming these favourable opinions of William on.

It was a bit sad.

Well, from everything i've seen on tv, he looks like a fairly earnest type to me. His mum was nice and i think he is probably nice, and i think he genuinely wants.to support and help people in uk..I dont think you can fake that. Whether there should be a monarchy at all is another question, but if you ARE going to have one, I think William would be a good choice. If there is a criticism then it would be that he probably feels the burden of the role quite heavily and im not sure it's good for his mental health. After all that's happened, I am very much more in two minds about the monarchy now.