How come William chose to ignore the massive elephant in the room and no one challenged him on it?

[Roadtripwithpretzels]

Prince William spoke about the very important subject of mh yesterday on Radio One and while it’s a subject that should be highlighted, does no one else think that his credibility on this issue has now been damaged by the AMW case?

He may not have been personally responsible for the alleged cover up, and he may well loathe Uncle Andrew, but he is still a central player in the institution that helped to pay off and cover up the voices of AMW’s alleged victims? Virginia Giuffre took her own life fhs! He can’t just ignore it!

To me this interview came across as incredibly unintelligent and insensitive in current circumstances. And proof that William himself just doesn’t “get it”.

Why on earth did he not say that in the light of current circumstances and out of respect for victims; the interview couldn’t go ahead?

Or why did his new ex crisis manager PR person not advise this?

And why was he allowed to sit there by the BBC and not address this?

And what about the mh of the Palace staff who have suffered because of AMW’s boorish and inappropriate behaviour for years? The nanny who allegedly left because of AMW being inappropriate and the policeman whose arm was hurt by AMW’s speeding at Windsor? The maids who were screamed at? What about the mental health of the police protection offices who quite recently were, according to Lownie, reminded about their NDAs and the safety of their pensions if they spoke out?

I don’t think it’s good enough any longer for a senior member of the RF to sit there and say yet again in a rather generic way “we all need to talk about our mental health” while ignoring what their own institution has covered up for years and is still allegedly trying to suppress?

And the BBC should hold some accountability about this too!

Well, the Lownie book is well researched, was heavily lawyered and has lots of references. So there’s that…

I haven’t seen any pictures. It was @berthasbloomerswho mentioned them, so it’s up to her to provide links.

I haven't read the book but I imagine it would need to be heavily lawyered.
He does seem very popular at the moment, almost like the second coming - lucky man 😁

It’s from what I remember at the time. Vaguely something like Sophie was middle class or some such & looked like her. They both had similar hair styles.

I haven't either.
Maybe I need to go find where 'Murkymeg' (😵‍💫) hangs out. She seems to have all the goods (apparently).

No it's about putting stuff on here that people can then complain about and report. I know the tactics 😉

Doesn’t matter who reports it if it’s genuine. Personally, I’m much more likely to report a libellous claim with no back up-and I’m pretty sure it’d be deleted. Post a picture. Be brave.

You give me far too much credit but no, I'm not trying to trap you because I don't believe there are any photos to begin with it. Or none that you/the general public have seen.

Anyway, have a good day. I'm off to watch England get demolished in the cricket.

The odd thing though is that there is so much on this board that is false or unproven and it stands. These boards are not the Ten Commandments. They are full of lies, slurs and gossipy assertions. You would be better paying attention and reporting those things. Another lie amongst so many? You're having a laugh if you think the truth only is shown on here 😂

There have been several posts/threads about W&K that have had to be pulled by MNHQ for being libellous (I reported a couple myself). I think most people have learnt 🤞

@PumpkinPieAlibi enjoy the cricket 🏏

@GottaKeepItClassy - I have absolutely no idea if they will be at the BAFTAS, its not something I have given any thought to.
If they do go I expect they will get the usual positive reception,
They remain very popular and I wouldn't be surprised if Charles stepped aside off the back of this current scandal. 🤴 👸

Popularity aside, and I do not deny that William and Kate are the most popular of the bunch relatively speaking, I don't understand the argument of Charles (or any monarch) stepping aside. I feel like the whole point of Monarchy is you get what you get and you don't get upset.

But no, I don't see Charles stepping aside at this point just like I never thought Elizabeth would, although it was clear in her final years, someone else should have taken over.

Libel does tend to get deleted.

Are you saying you were lying when you said there was photographic evidence of the Sussexes and Epstein being associates?

Sorrythat was intended for @berthasbloomers

Are you serious?

What is emerging now is a tale of alleged sexual deviancy and alleged criminality, not to mention alleged revealing of secret government information, at the heart of the RF, and assertions that Charles allegedly helped to shut down the first via his alleged bridging loan to AMW to pay off VG, and was allegedly informed about the latter in 2019!

There is no coming back from this cover up.

I feel sorry for him personally to a degree because his hands were probably tied while he was waiting to become king, and while the late QE3 protected AMW, and then he became ill, but he still dithered about AMW after his accession.

He absolutely has to abdicate in favour of William I’m afraid and this scandal will define his legacy. And he will be known for some of his environmental work.

Not that this is relevant but I was always team Diana back in the day, so I can’t feel too unhappy about it , but at the same time, I do feel it’s very hard on him personally, and he is to a degree a victim of circumstance. And none of this can be fun while suffering with cancer.

Just to add, I think this entire debacle is a perfect illustration of why monarchy doesn’t function effectively. Charles’s hands were tied over AMW while the late Queen was alive, and he didn’t have the power to do anything until it was too late.

@CurlewKate there are photos that come up on Google images. I would have no idea if they were photoshopped or not. Point and press is the extent of my photographic skills!

I mean, I agree with pretty much everything you posted.

Maybe I didn't articulate it well, but :

1. I just don't see Charles actually choosing to step aside (whether or not he should) and
2. I don't see the point of him stepping aside not because it doesn't make sense to do so, but this picking and choosing and removing people seems to go against everything monarchy stands for.

Which is why I argue (and agree with you) that monarchy doesn't function effectively.

Thank you! I have absolutely no intention of doing that though. What I want is for @berthasbloomersto put her money where her mouth is! For the avoidance of doubt, I would say the same about any pictures of anyone a poster mentioned but did not link to.

I think the answer is “with difficulty”!

As a historian with quite a few books to his name, Lownie said he had never met so many obstacles and closed doors, as when trying to write Entitled. The Royal circle is extremely tight knit.

Of course the important papers relating to AMW’s time as Trade Envoy which by law should be in the public domain by now, have mysteriously disappeared.

Lownie says in interviews that he had many freedom of information requests denied, and the reasons were different each time,

He also received legal letters trying to stop him writing the book, BP put out the word instructing friends, family, staff not to speak to him, some of his sources received legal letters, staff and PPOs were reminded of NDAs and the security, or not, of their pensions.

However, he said he was surprised that a lot of naval personnel were happy to speak to him on record. And he obviously has good contacts in the police and intelligence services. And forensic accountants.

But most of all he is just a very tenacious and dogged researcher. Freedom of information is his main bugbear. A lot of the stories of AMW’s activities had already been written about or alluded to in the newspapers but then had gone nowhere. He just put them all in one book.

His sources are double verified and named in Entitled where possible. Apparently many more people are now much less afraid to speak to him and further info gleaned will be going in the pb.

As you can tell, I really admire Lownie. He was a lone voice for years and received a lot of flack and death threats when the late Queen died, He’s had to recently upgrade his personal security.

I’m glad his persistence is finally being recognised now.

I think the monarch should step down at a certain age. It became a bit painful watching the late Queen still having to turn out.for events when she was clearly old and frail and not comfortable. Institutions can adapt. European monarchs have no trouble handing over to younger members. I wish Charles would hand over to William. I think a new start would be good.

I think it would be a good way for people to see a new start won't happen!

The sooner that's understood the better.

Ultimately did he achieve anything? AMW wasn't arrested because of anything Lownie said, it was because of the Epstein files being released. So I dont get why he is held up as some hero. He's a writer, he wrote a book. The police are dealing with what has been revealed in the Epstein files.

I don't know anything about Lownie although I might have seen him wheeled out as an expert.

@Roadtripwithpretzels Lownie had a contact in the intelligence services who provided him with information?!?! 😳

The country is in more trouble than I thought if that’s going on.

So sorry for misinterpreting your comments
PumpkinPieAlibi 💐

I have re-read them now and I understand what you mean! It’s a fast running thread and it’s my fault for trying to post while doing ten other things at the same time!

Yes, I agree, I think Charles unfortunately is surrounded by yes men and because of this doesn’t quite grasp the severity of the situation.

Deference has gone too far. You can see why a Tommy Lascelles type character is necessary who is not too afraid to tell them
what to do!

Also, from Charles’s perspective, he may feel he had done his best as “leader” of the family and in the number one slot, to try and “make peace” with everyone, when really he should have been booting AMW, SF, and probably E and B out very decisively!

Of course that is all made so much more difficult when it is family ties at stake and it’s not just a business decision.

@boxinghare

It’s the same old same old - ‘don’t worry the next parasite up will be different ! Promise !

They never are .

William is not interested in anything but keeping his secrets and filling his bank account .We are told he is popular with the monarchists who remain - but that is not enough.

The government needs to turn off the money taps . The country cannot afford it.
I have little faith that a full investigation will be done into the lot of them . But at least stop paying them to be above the law.
That would be a start .