Support for Monarchy dwindling

[TheHaplessWit]

Support for Monarchy now down to 45%

Following on from the previous yougov polls, it seems the constant negativity about Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, William dodging tax / evicting people, Charles ignoring his brothers actions etc... has pushed royal support down to 45%.

How long until a future election process includes a party saying they'll have a referrendum on the Monarchy as part of their manifesto? probably not next time (3 years), but maybe the one after that?

I’m beginning to think this is just some reporter making up stories 🤷‍♀️ no proof whatsoever, we were led to believe the queen paid it and as that wasn’t corrected while she was alive , that was the narrative, now we have stories of Philip, Charles ( which has been corrected) and random other nameless royals !
to me this seems like a stirring of the pot exercise.

It’s a ‘getting as many people as possible to read my papers’ exercise

That made me laugh!
Interestingly, Anne is at the Olympics, she does not like the camera on her and being spotted, but she has just been looking over the rail at the skeleton! (Don't do it Anne!)
Tonight we have a possible GB medal at the skeleton, I bet she'll be there.
I'm surprised William/Kate haven't attended at all, they love their ski holidays and we have a lot of entrants in different competitions.

Indeed !! I think it was the ghost of queen Victoria, who rose from the grave and paid it , because she was fed up with Andrew behaving like a twat! 😂

Having just binged Victoria on Netflix ( finished at 6am this morning after an all nighter 🫣) I can see V&A raging now.

😉 me too! 😁

My first thought on reading,

According to The Sun around £7 million came from thelate Queen as a “loan”, with a further £3 million from the estate of his father Prince Philip. A further £1.5 million was reportedly contributed by other members of the royal family. It is understood, however, that the King did not contribute.

… is “how very convenient”! 🙄

As pp quite rightly said, I think we need proof at this stage.

The payment was made in mid-February 2022 and the late Queen died in September. it makes absolutely no logical sense to me that, at a time when KC3 was known to have largely taken over state affairs, he would have presided over an arrangement where the rest of the family paid their contributions, without contributing anything himself.

Until I have proof to the contrary, I am happy to go with the Lownie version of events

that Charles provided a bridging loan. Lownie’s sources have proved to be pretty sound so far.

Also, this is a family who briefed that they had jumped on to an investigation of Meghan’s alleged bullying with alacrity and yet didn’t bother to investigate any of AMW’s wildly out of whack travel expenses, none of the dodgy payments he received in his Coutts bank accounts that came to light in the high court over the Selman Turk affair, none of the senior diplomats and senior intelligence source’s complaints about his behaviour as Trade Envoy, none of the complaints from ppos and others when he refused to log female guests, the policeman in Windsor who has his arm hurt by AMW driving erratically, the nanny who left because AMW had behaved inappropriately with her?

Do we believe anything they say now?

Or brief about?

@Shakeastick432

Exactly, and I said previously that I take anything the Royals say with a pinch of salt. Given the huge huge cover up that we are witnessing now, how can we believe anything?

Look at Selman Turk for instance, involved in a £40million fraud, siphoning money off to Andrew and Sarah, whilst Andrew helped with a passport and they gave the daughters money and a diamond necklace. And then there is his buddy Tarek Kaituni, the Libyan gun runner and both of them pictured at Frogmore Cottage.

Here is a Lownie substack detailing all this
andrewlownie.substack.com/p/the-corruption-allegations-that-andrew

Doubt it. A woman who abdicated her responsibility for 40 years, after shilling momey from the government to payvfor several ' private' homes! Shes probably pissed off that they havent heen able to cover it up forever!

Incorrect Popular opinion again
If the Sun had been around then thats exactly what they would reported

The 40 year lie
it is often said she mourned for 40 years, this refers to her emotional state and personal attire, not a complete abandonment of her constitutional responsibilities
Imagine if we judged people’s grief and clothing these days.

Despite her seclusion, Victoria continued to perform her duties as monarch, such as reading state papers, signing documents, and corresponding with her prime ministers, maintaining a strong influence on foreign policy and appointments.
She returned to public life ten years after Alberts death

In our day we’d say she was working from home and like most people today standing up for their right to do so

On your second matter of public funds for private residences

Queen Victoria and Prince Albert paid for their new private homes,
Osborne House and Balmoral Castle, using their own private funds rather than relying on government funding or the Civil List.
Key details on the funding of these homes:
Osbourne house (Isle of Wight):
Built between 1845 and 1851, the construction and furnishing were funded by the couple, partly using proceeds from the sale of the Royal Pavilion at Brighton.( the build of which was through George IVs private funds)
Balmoral Castle (Scotland):
Purchased in 1852 for £32,000 (roughly £3 million in modern value), the estate was bought privately by Prince Albert for Queen Victoria and Prince Albert paid for their new private homes,

Both points debunked

Although another great example, more relevant to this thread, of how anti monarchy propaganda can be perceived as fact
When they are in fact not

I may be wrong but I always imagine that the royal family's bank accounts are managed by 'the men in grey suits' . I just can't imagine Charles or any of them, looking at a bank statement wondering how on earth they spent so much at Sainsbury this month.
If I'm correct, then the MIGS must have been aware of dodgy payments coming in.

William must be jealous of Victoria disappearing from public view for ten whole years. A ridiculous amount of time.

Actually, I've googled, and Ill take that back! I got my information from Norman Baker who is usually quite accurate. Although what I see here does make The Windsors look bad in comparison, considering she had a reduced Civil List because of her private income, whereas Charles has a massive payrise despite having a massive income from the Duchy of Lancaster, and she paid for her own golden Jubilee!

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/historical-journal/article/abs/queen-victorias-civil-list-what-did-she-do-with-it/D26FD2CBE33C613C503C8CCBB467AC2F.

No way will the UK get shot of the royals - unless there is a revolution.

Besides - the general public have the collective memory of a goldfish.

This will blow over eventually - as all royal crises do.

I’m afraid to say it , but you are probably right 🤷‍♀️

Agree with this, most of the public aren’t as invested as we all are on here for whatever reason, I doubt the majority give it more than a passing thought one way or the other no matter the current crisis of the day whipped up into a frenzy online or in the media, there certainly won’t be mass protests at the palace gates demanding King Charles head is cut off.

I agree. I think you are probably right and the Monarchy will endure. However, I think ( hope) because TLQ is not around, the culture of deference to her I don't think is around for Charles or William. I don't think there will be, especially after this, the number of people willing to do the Royals dirty business, and there were a lot of them who have been prepared to do it and who have allowed this to happen up to now. I also think if there is pressure on MP's to do their jobs there is an outside chance they will actually have to scrutinise what the Royals are getting up to. Without people willing to take the flak for them and cover up for them, they cannot carry on as usual if they want to survive. This has been a massive decades long establishment protection racket.

This is very true! , I simply gave it no thought whatsoever, I was busy with work , then children and it was background noise that didn’t make a difference to me at all !
and I admit that I purposely avoided watching the news when my dh was away in Iraq and Afghanistan because I didn’t want to hear anything that would cause me more anxiety.
and if I’m being honest if the monarchy was gone it still would make no difference to my life either 🤷‍♀️

I am looking forward to William becoming King, not that I am wishing death on Charles but I agree with Lownie that he needs to make way for William. If I was William the “House of Windsor” name would be the first thing I would change to signify the end of the old guard and the start of a new modern monarchy.

and if I’m being honest if the monarchy was gone it still would make no difference to my life either 🤷‍♀️

Mine neither, through I would miss the crowns, tiaras and pomp and circumstance that we do so well.

Oh yes @BigWillyLittleTodger, I would miss that and be sad about the loss of history but in a material fundamental way it would make no difference to the day to day .

Sadly you are quite right IMO

It will just plod on in some way. But we all know now that the dusty archaic 70 year old way of doing things, just will not cut it in this day and age.
More transparency will be demanded I think and William will hate that.

This is very true! , I simply gave it no thought whatsoever, I was busy with work , then children and it was background noise that didn’t make a difference to me at all

I think this sums it up for a lot of people The King/Queen and the royal family are “just there” as they always have been for for 1200 years! No one in my work has come in raging about the current royal crisis, no one has even mentioned it, but my god the rants in my office about Trump and Starmer are epic!

I agree! , although I do feel it’s a little sad that Charles has waited his whole life to do the job he has been trained for since he was a child and then , poof it’s gone!
but I don’t think his health is up to him making tough decisions 🤷‍♀️ , I cannot help but think if TLQ had been younger or less ill ( again hidden from us!) would she have made the same mistakes? 🤔