Support for Monarchy dwindling

[TheHaplessWit]

Support for Monarchy now down to 45%

Following on from the previous yougov polls, it seems the constant negativity about Andrew, Sarah Ferguson, William dodging tax / evicting people, Charles ignoring his brothers actions etc... has pushed royal support down to 45%.

How long until a future election process includes a party saying they'll have a referrendum on the Monarchy as part of their manifesto? probably not next time (3 years), but maybe the one after that?

I hope the monarchy stops before Prince George becomes king. He might get a normal life then. My teens and their friends have no interest in the royal family. If I mention one they always ask who it is and have no idea how they fit into the family. It's outdated and a waste of money

My teens dont know or care about them either. Thet have survived on the back of apathy before but apathy depends on disinterest. I think if it ends before George then William needs to do things now, and prepare his children for the possibility that they may not have the Royal gravy train in the future. The Wales kids should not need to be 'prepared' from childhood for a role they may not even have. Imagine all your life anything you want to do, you are told you cant because you're exected to be King or ' support your brother' and then all thats taken away? They will certainly walk away with huge wads of money and houses but with their whole purpose removed. Their family have chosen to make sure they know whats expected of them- andcthats to keep the Monarchy limping on for as long as possible.

I totally agree. I’ve got to the point where I wouldn’t trust anyone in a position of authority and least of all if they’re a politician, police or royalty.
I’m old and jaded and have long since decided that the majority of men and some women are untrustworthy.

I think the RF it’s just going to go away but it’s getting worse every day, the Daily Mail seems to especially have it in for Andrew. It’s been weeks now since the new files were released and still nothing from any of them, apart from vague mumblings from Prince Edward.

DM is finally doing a great job. They've realised people don't care much about Meghan anymore and redirected their energy, rightly so, in the insane things that Andrew still hasn't been held accountable for. There is so much about the RF that seems numbered. Young people don't have the celebrity worship mindset anymore. They couldn't give two shits about someone just because they are rich or famous (this was the complete opposite with celeb culture in the 90s and 2000s).

Any display of opulence is wildly tasteless now, where everyone's living standards are going down and there is widespread social media access for people to talk to each about it. If you take London out, the rest of the UK has an average household income as Mississippi, one the poorest states in the US! It's so tacky to imagine a glittering golden Royal family ruling over a country of essentially peasants living on the breadline who still have to pay tax to fund them. Has anything changed since medieval times?!

I'm honestly curious what W&K think about all this. After all her health issues, Kate probably isn't even that bothered about being Queen. She will always have a life of eye-watering luxury so if they abolish the monarchy then she can spend it in total peace with her family. No more obligatory appearances, coronations, being dissected in the media. It'll be a lot like Pippa's life and that's probably what she wants most.

I don't think most people are bothered. I'm old enough to remember the Queen's silver jubilee. It was a huge event - street parties on every street. By the time of the diamond jubilee I can't remember one in my area. People were just glad to have a Bank holiday.
I too am more concerned with government officials and their behaviour as it does affect the running of the country. Years ago a shamed politician was a huge news story , now it seems a weekly event. How many police chiefs have had to stand down in disgrace recently? I think the UK would be fine without a monarchy but there isn't the appetite for change.
A lot of people are defending the late Queen but it was in her power to curb Andrew's behaviour and she did nothing. It's tainted her legacy for sure and Charles needs to come clean about the trade envoy documents or he's as bad as his mother.
AMW and Ferguson need to disappear from public view permanently although I don't think we've heard the last of her - a book on the horizon, especially if her daughters lose their titles?
All just my opinion

To my mind they’re all as bad as each other. I am sorry for any woman who has been through cancer, it’s a terrible and life altering thing to go through but the fact neither her or William have made any public announcement speaks volumes to me, the truly outdated ‘never explain, never complain’ motto is so pathetic. If either of them truly cared about any of the victims they would have released a statement by, especially as William’s charity has been implicated, which he may or may not have even realised but to stay silent on it is shameful.

The royal family need to learn to read the room.

Didn't they appoint a new crisis manager?

What are they doing? It doesn't seem like much.

What would be quite awful, would be the RF not giving a stronger statement because there's possibly more compromising stuff to come

I certainly hope it's not the reason they're sticking to the 'never complain or explain'

OR... is there a possibility that they are afraid charges may be brought to bear against AMW and they may have to take the stand over what they knew didn't/know in future?

I wonder how likely that is or isn't. A lot of people are saying AMW will simply go to Saudi Arabia or somewhere else in the Middle East to avoid any charges being brought, but if he is allowed to do this and evade justice I suspect that will really be the end of the Royal Family as they will be seen to have a different set of rules and have allowed a potential member of a child trafficking ring and seller of state secrets to avoid justice.

Once the DM starts then there we ill he no choice I dont think for them to release documents about AMW's TE years, which will implicate the RF and politicians, who will have to answer questions about why they did nothing about AMW at the time, which will then lead back to the wider RF I think. Because why else would they have allowed it, apart from to ingratiate themelves with TLQ, or because she refused to do anything about it?

Wouldn’t the RF be advised not to say anything more than the brief statement(s) already given, if it is now a police investigation?

Yes probably but they will need to do something about their own setup, not just blame everything on AMW and carry on as normal.

I think the people around the royals gaslight them into continuing to think they are central to modern Britain.

KC did a visit to our area. The local council instructed schools to turn out to meet him, in case there weren’t enough crowds ( this is a pretty traditional and ‘conservative’ area). My kids had to go out in the rain to wave flags and cheer for an institution about which, at 7 and 9, they know little and have even less interest. There were not many there apart from thr local schools.

I asked someone from the council who was there, why. He said they’d been told by Westminster to get the schools out so that KC would see crowds.

Of course.
I have posted my thoughts on this on another thread.

I imagine the whole debacle has far more details that will come to light.

What we are currently seeing is just a small portion of AMW's involvement and much more will become apparent that will cast further negative and highly damaging accusations that will have resounding impact across the royal family, politics etc.

In time things will be different to how they currently are. This is a very damaging period for the royal family and it seems as though it is about to get worse.

I have and do support our monarchy but can clearly see how appalling all of this is and as stated I am sure we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg so to speak.

It’s been weeks now since the new files were released and still nothing from any of them, apart from vague mumblings from Prince Edward

in all honesty what can they say now?
They're not going to sanction opening the trade envoy files because of who else may be implicated, and it's becoming obvious even to many royalists that their only real interest is protecting their own position, so what's left?

The only "statement" I'm expecting is something about Andrew being "too ill" to be questioned further, but then I'm ssurprised that hasn't happened already

They need a much skimmed down monarchy. Or alternatively do as the French did. Maybe they’d lend us their guillotine!

When there was a silver jubilee in the 70s the only reason we got excited at school and home was due to the commemorative mug and celebrations. We knew there was a queen but that was about it. I was 6 or 7.

Wow that's quite ridiculous really!

Yes, I imagine that sort of managed deception does lead to a false idea of how integral you are to the lives of everyday citizens.

I’ve said this for a long time

It’s also about stage managing the image of the royals as ‘popular’ - for the papers and the news ( don’t get me started on the role of the bbc in all this )

School children have no agency and are being used as pr. If I were a parent of a child in one of those schools I’d be furious and complain

Anyone still in any doubt that we are being manipulated and taken for fools?

I would be furious too if my kids were taken out of school to stand around in the cold waving flags fo rno other reason than to make up numbers. And I say that as someone who inexplicably has a bit of a soft spot for Charles for no reason whatsoever, apart from that he is 4 days older than my mum, so his birthday always reminds me to post her a card!

Thinking about it , surely the parents would have been given a choice as to whether their children took part ?
Although children of that age would only be aware of being’left out’ though they’d understand later in life- especially in light of the Epstein files and the Windsors

I would not be happy with my children being involved with this either!
it’s hardly a school related trip , it may be old fashioned but my children are in school to be educated not used as props .

@RainbowBagels

Well if we set aside the Epstein scandal - if that is even possible- Charles does have a touch of warmth to him - or maybe that’s me being gaslit!

Willian is v cold and has no charisma . And you can’t PR that into being .

A very superficial point I know.
I want the lot investigated and gone

Or let them stand in the first presidential election if we get one …

I agree. I think he seems far better at showing empathy for the 'little people', and has some intellectual curiosity ( different from being book clever, but he seems interested in things) I get the impression William is a Windsor through and through. He doesn't seem sincere. He just does the bare minimum needed to keep people from asking too many questions about what hes actually doing. I think he wants to be King though, and will do whatever it takes to keep the Monarchy going. If that means cutting off all the hangers on, he will do it to save himself.

Doesn't look like from the post, that @Movingon2024 was told or given a choice!