Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

I am not sure the wives of Oliver Hoare and Will Carling would go along with your excuse for her poor behaviour.

I don't stalk you, but I just read what you post!

Here we go. Massive derailing, I'll be mentioning pigeons in a minute just like you do!

Let's drop Diana for goodness sake, she is dead. Let's concentrate on the current royals. And that doesn't include Harry either. 😂

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Are Hoare and Carling saints or what? Takes two to tango. At least Diana had a reason, they just saw an available high class piece of ass.

If you are interested in history allegedly being re-written, I suggest you read Tom Bower’s
book ‘The Rebel Prince’ now updated as ´the Rebel King’ in which he alleges that after Diana died, Charles and Camilla, allegedly supported or possibly even commissioned, the journalist Penny Junor to write her book ‘Charles, Victim or Villain?.’

According to Bower, this was part of a reputational re-offensive not only to rehabilitate Charles and Camilla, but to re-shape the public’s memory of Diana after her death.

This is all discussed in detail by Shauna Kay in her Australian The Vintage Read Show podcast.

Pretty despicable if true!

Anyway, I apologise for the de-rail! I agree with Simpsonthecat that we should be focusing on AMW and the current cover up, even though many appear to have gone before!

I thought it was well-known that Charles hired a PR guru? The BBC even had some trouble airing a documentary about it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31117713.amp

I agree. I have always felt suspicious that, leaving side the sexual abuse allegations, the wider RF have possibly used similar techniques to AMW to acquire wealth, and build on it, buddying up to businessmen etc, and to foreign royalty, especially in the ME, but have just been a bit smarter about who they buddied up to and how they covered it up.

There was all of the Dumfries House debate:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2010/sep/10/dumfries-house-prince-charles

And there was the furore about the leaked Paradise Papers back in 2017 which revealed that QE2’s - as it was then - Duchy of Lancaster, invested £10 million in offshore funds in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda. While not illegal, these holdings included indirect investments in retailers criticized for exploiting consumers.

To be fair, the Duchy stated it was unaware of these specific investments.

I’m pretty sure that Charles’s Duchy of Cornwall - as it was then - was implicated too.

The leaked papers, consisting of 13.4 million documents from offshore law firm Appleby, highlighted how the global elite, including the UK's royal family, utilized complex financial structures to manage wealth.

Aspects of this appear to be quite similar to this current crisis… .

@Thewolffromthedoor89

Im not sure where to put this post but perhaps in response to yours on ‘charity’ makes sense
Is anyone following senator Ro Khanna ? He has helped lead the opening of the Epstein files
He refers to the rich ‘elite ‘ as the Epstein class. That’s a better term .
He revealed 6 names tonight - rich men

Someone has linked one of the names to Williams earthshot charity . We know Epstein himself donated to a charity that William is an ambassador for but this named person , if it is the same person , made a significant donation

Fifty metres they say?

Is that a comfort stop along the way?

I have just looked it up, thanks Ukisgaslit

Oh no, I am a Republican but I thought the conclusion on here was that Earthshot was doing good things? 😟

Will have a read tonight …

I have always felt suspicious that, leaving side the sexual abuse allegations, the wider RF have possibly used similar techniques to AMW to acquire wealth, and build on it, buddying up to businessmen etc, and to foreign royalty, especially in the ME, but have just been a bit smarter about who they buddied up to and how they covered it up.

Royals including the sainted E2 and her favourite son availed themselves of the Bank of England Nominees scheme specifically devised to hide their shareholdings from the public.

Someone has linked one of the names to Williams earthshot charity . We know Epstein himself donated to a charity that William is an ambassador for but this named person , if it is the same person , made a significant donation

Oh, Earthshot. Again.

That second hand blazer's going to have to do some serious overtime...

How easy would it be for Parliament or whoever has the power to do so, to amend legislation that allows their wills to be hidden for donkey's years.

Can you imagine the forensic speculation? Easier than a whistleblower.

But there we are, those who have the power to do this won't do it. Why not? Are they in hock to the RF also, or waiting (or already have) the gong and warm seat in the HOL etc. and so forth.

Do you have proof that William is in anyway guilty of anything to do with Epstein?
because otherwise you have just posted something that is libellous and likely to get Mumsnet in trouble!
and be aware that Mumsnet will hand over details of any poster if asked by the police or a lawyer.

Do you have proof that William is in anyway guilty of anything to do with Epstein?

That's not what ukisgaslit is saying.

Goodness @jeffgoldblum
Maybe in about a million years the police might get to Justine when they have eventually managed to get AMW to a place where he may actually be prosecuted.

That post by JeffG sounds unnecessarily threatening.

I’m sorry but I don’t find the Epstein files funny or a vehicle to smear people with, particularly when there is no evidence.

I'm surprised at the tone of this post.

Both the content and the tone are out of proportion to the post they are replying to IMO

Ukisgaslit must have hit a nerve

no Evidence, no smear , even lownie who is apparently thought well of has done an interview on talk tv saying that William is not involved.

I do think @jeffgoldblumthat some people are determined that William is somehow involved in the whole sordid business despite there being zero evidence .

Interesting article on Epstein from Vanity Fair 2003
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303

'The entrance hall is decorated not with paintings but with row upon row of individually framed eyeballs; these, the owner tells people with relish, were imported from England, where they were made for injured soldiers' the article states.

Seems that collecting glass eyes is another 'hobby' that he shared with Jimmy Savile as Savile claimed to have collected glass eyes from dead bodies at the Leeds General Infirmary (LGI) and used them to make jewellery
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I never knew that he was also friendly with Rosa Monckton (Diana's friend) though it sounds like he pulled the wool over her eyes too by acting like the most kindest man ever.

'Rosa Monckton recalls Epstein telling her that her daughter, Domenica, who suffers from Down syndrome, needed the sun, and that Rosa should feel free to bring her to his house in Palm Beach anytime.' quote taken directly from the article.

She must feel disgusted that she was taken in by him, like many who were totally unaware of what he was really up to.

@jeffgoldblum

You are the one who leapt to the conclusion that I was accusing William of being guilty of something . Why would you do that ?
That was not what my post was about as I am sure you know.

We have been discussing the use of charity donations and flag ship charities on these threads as you also know

As I mentioned before I’m not following the news closely re the files as it is too distressing but on SM people are referencing names and donations .
Details :
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/10/six-men-epstein-files-unredacted

On SM posters said that one of the names donated 1million to earthshot.
Is it the same person ?

https://earthshotprize.org/news/earthshot-innovators-backed-by-dp-world-with-1-million-global-investment-at-first-ever-innovation-showcase/#:~:text=Today%20The%20Earthshot%20Prize%20took,the%20UAE%20and%20Middle%20East.

This Earthshot link ^^ names a donor.

‘Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, CEO of DP World and an Emirati billionaire businessman’ is also named in that Guardian article from late last night / this morning.

The money was reportedly distributed to two named eco-charities.

Thanks @TheAutumnCrow

Im not good with names and even thought it could be a different person with the same name

I’m sure Earthshot will make a statement

I don’t know quite what the conclusion is here -and by here I mean international high profile charities.
We all know charities are PR for the Windsors - in my opinion earthshot is a prime example of this .
The Windsors are billionaires- why didn’t William just fund his charity himself?

It’s long been considered good practice (certainly in the UK) for charities to attract High Net Worth donors and corporate sponsors, rather than rely on one wealthy individual. However, given the impossibility of carrying out due diligence on every businessman and business in the world, that model may now need scrutiny.

There are potentially hundreds of businessmen’s names redacted from the Epstein Files. I would take a guess they’ve all donated to charities, from low to high levels, through buy-a-table dinners, charity auctions, and sponsorship.

There are then going to be inevitable connections between these various charities to other public figures, such as politicians, royals, and assorted luvvies.

And I genuinely think it’s going to be hard to separate the sheep from the goats as the Epstein Files fallout continues.