Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

Risky strategy as all these former protection officers are probably (if they are wise) currently lodging their memoirs and statements in solicitors’s safes around the country, and emailing copies to Channel 4 or the Mail for ‘just in case’ purposes.

I don’t think threatening the attempted whistleblowers’ pensions is going to cut it any more.

It’s always the attempted cover-up that brings them down.

I know the thread has moved on but I attended a friend's ceremony, too, and she had to take and oath to defend the queen and all her descendants.

I thought that was odd, that it was personalised to the queen and her family, rather than made more abstract - "the monarch", "the sovereign", "the country" or whatever.

There are so many worthwhile things to love, respect and defend in this country, why does every single descendant of QE2 take precedence? I thought it sounded very medieval / feudal.

I think that illusion was shattered a long time ago. I remember the whole 'I want to be your tampon' debacle, Diana's interview, Charles' books spilling the beans about his upbringing etc. Maybe I'm older than most here?

Also I think that equating the idea of Britishness with this royal family is dangerous. I believe that republicans are acting out of love and respect for their country.

Sort of (‘I want to be your tampon’). The transcript of what they really said to each other privately is certainly a bit cringe. But it wasn’t exactly a Christmas Day broadcast to the nation - although Channel 4 would have loved it.

Camilla: (laughing) "what are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers? Both laugh Camilla: Oh, You're your'e going to come back as a pair of knickers. Charles: Or, God forbid a Tampax. Just my luck! (Laughs) Camilla: You are a complete idiot (Laughs) Oh, what a wonderful idea. Charles: My luck to be chucked down the lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down. Camilla: (Laughing) Oh, Darling! Charles: Until the next one comes through. Camilla: Oh, perhaps you could come back as a box. Charles: What sort of box? Camilla: A box of Tampax, so you could just keep going.

Full transcript and discussions are available online still.

(Btw I think this was probably recorded by a member of staff or security/protection officer for £££, and wasn’t a ‘CB enthusiast’ accidentally tuning in )

This is a really stupid comment. First of all, W clearly has a genuine passion for this cause. After all, his own BIL contemplated suicide. Secondly, why is a nephew responsible for the crimes or wrongdoings of his uncle? No one is responsible or answerable for the choices of others.

@JSMill
Why is it stupid? Can you imagine the pressure those people were under to cover up what AMW was doing. As a senior royal he must have been aware of the bullying and intimidation that was going on.
And what about his sister in law feeling suicidal? Or is that irrelevant?

Does anyone seriously believe Meghan was suicidal?

@Mylovelygreendress
Would you say the same about James Midleton?

Don't even bother having a reasoned debate with that poster. She's so obsessed with dragging Meghan and Harry at every opportunity that she didn't even realize the previous poster was referencing James Middleton.

Imagine...every day we get more proof that Andrew was a greedy raping louse yet some people can keep finding the energy to focus on H & M.

Bloody hell, the Express presumably has legal people ok-ing these allegations for publication?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2172732/new-andrew-bombshell-epstein-files

New Andrew bombshell as former prince accused of watching young girl being tortured. The former Duke of York has been accused of being present during alleged electric shock torture.

Something about Frogmore Cottage at Windsor.

ETA archive in case it disappears
archive.ph/TnUcQ

It was one of the anonymous tipoffs without supporting evidence I think.

The Express is fine legally saying it was alleged in the files, they aren't saying it as fact.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a legal ‘get out of jail free card’ though if the paper repeats (re-publishes) a salacious, damaging and false allegation recklessly, in the UK. The Express lawyers must have strategised some sort of potential defence.

Maybe ‘AMW has no reputation left’ is considered enough; or the Express team actually think it’s true and are waiting for a denial from AMW / a palace ‘source’, so they can reveal the big tamale?

ETA: Just musing.

The Express have overstepped here.

@TheAutumnCrow
If you are going to share this type of article, then it needs to have a trigger warning so others can make a choice whether to click on it or not,

I'm very surprised that you would think it is ok, on a parenting forum, to take that paragraph from the article, embolden it and insert it into the body of your post.

There seems now be a rush to be the first to post the next piece of AMW click bait (in the case of this article, it’s an anonymous tip off with no evidence) as soon as it comes to light with little thought to anything else.

It’s the headline. It’s usual to embolden headlines on MN when quoting published articles. I’ve said a few times that I’m wondering about the legal dimensions of the Express publishing it.

I think you are being rather precious. Of course this needs to be discussed. If you click on an Andrew thread, you know it's not going to be nice reading , so why all the ridiculous admonishing. Whete else are you going to discuss it.

This is an article on a specific act of child abuse so ‘usual’ is not relevant here. The link needs a trigger warning and the emboldened paragraph is very inappropriate.

The legalities of the article were not my main concern.

Sorry no, that’s a cop out.

What are you doing on here if you've done things like that ?

Similar story is in yesterday evening’s Independent embedded within this article - it is starting to look like the royal protection officers are finally going to be recognised as a necessary key part of the investigation.

Met Police making ‘initial inquiries’ into Andrew’s protection officers over Epstein files
Surrey is one of many police forces looking into allegations following the Epstein files document drop

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/epstein-files-sexual-assault-claim-information-police-surrey-b2922795.html

With everything that’s coming out in these files it probably is worth adding TW etc to things shared.

I’ve seen some things shared on social media about the US side of things that was shocking to have to deal with on a FB scroll. Terrible things this ring of evil men were doing.

Not everyone can cope with the content shared without a warning.

It’s bad and going to get worse. Protect your mental health against the overload of dealing with heating about these painful things.

Sarah congratulated Epstein on the baby boy, surely given birth to by one of the victims??

No depths they won't sink to..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/02/jeffrey-epstein-file-release-secret-child-sarah-ferguson/

I think if the police were serious about investigating AMW or PA, they’d have set up a specialist operation. Until that happens, I will remain skeptical about the chances of anyone facing any consequences.

I don't think the comment was stupid.

I think it was drawing a parallel between the lack of concern for staff who were allegedly threatened in order to cover up for AMW; and William having expressed concern for AMW's mental health (this has been referenced with sources upthread).

Yes! What about the mh of the nanny who according to Andrew Lownie in Entitled had to leave her job because AMW was behaving inappropriately?

What about the mh of the staff who got shouted at by AMW for not putting the teddies back on his bed in the correct order, or for fluffing the titles of other family members?

What about the mh of the police officer at Windsor whose arm was hurt by AMW driving erratically?

What about the mh of the staff who were aware of AMW’s abusive behaviour but are being warmed right now not to speak up because of NDAs, and who are being reminded of the validity of their pensions? Do you think they are not stressed and upset?

Remember that there have been allegations before:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/nov/09/monarchy.jamiewilson