Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy, part 2

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I am not the OP of the previous thread but we are nearly at 1000 posts and there's been some very good discussion on there.

Previous thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5473274-andrew-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy

100% agree. We’re duped into thinking the next one will be ‘better’ when the reality is they are using their influence to enrich themselves.

it’s the 250 year anniversary of the Declaration of Independence and those guys nailed it with their wording; I’ve put some abbreviated quotes below, although I’m sure everyone here is familiar with it.
Nothing much had changed in 250 years - the USA were bang on with their response to the injustices they saw from the crown

’but when a long train of abuses and usurpations , pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new Guards for their future security’

’the history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world’

’they have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation’

’that these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved’

I simply don’t understand why Andrew is also not being investigated for passing on market-sensitive private-side information to people who
had no right to it, before anyone else. That is much easier to look into rather than trying to find proof of trafficking (not saying that it’s any less important and that therefore it should
be ignored).

It was announced that Thames Valley Police were looking at that in the link that @TheAutumnCrow shared yesterday

Scotland Yard is examining allegations that Lord Mandelson committed misconduct in public office by passing sensitive government information to Epstein when he was business secretary.
Thames Valley Police is assessing similar claims made against the former Duke of York when he was UK trade envoy as well as an alleged sex trafficking complaint.

https://archive.ph/POfpM

I’m imagining Andrew’s defence.

‘My late mother, Her Majesty the Queen, assured me that everything I was doing was above board and that I had her full backing. The then Prime Minister the Right Honourable David Cameron gave me his full backing also.’

Plus Charles is already a hypocrite being head of church/defender of the faith re: open admission of adultery. Now we look at all the Church service attendance and wonder how he can be so hypocritical when he knew what his brother was up to AND the whole family being part of covering up for him. How is that for optics when it comes to the Easter church service?

The Daily Mail has a bigger spread on the royal protection officers allegedly ‘turning a blind eye’. Posters on this board have been asking about this for years.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15570483/Police-probe-Andrew-Mountbatten-Windsors-royal-protection-officers-amid-claims-turned-blind-eye-Epstein-island-visits.html

What I’d like to know is where did their orders to turn a blind eye originate? Was it with the Met Police Commissioner(s)? If so, where did their understanding that this was necessary come from? My guess is the late Queen Elizabeth II, via her private secretary.

So glad to see the role of the protection officers being scrutinised - maybe the next step will be to examine the alleged half a billion security costs for the royals each year as well.

I must eat my hat though if William was on the radio today as had assumed he would be on half term ;)

I must eat my hat though if William was on the radio today as had assumed he would be on half term ;)

It was pre-recorded. You don't see hide nor hair of him during the considerable school holidays that his DC get!

I agree everything about the PPOs and security should be investigated but everything I have read leads me to believe they were told to just carry on and not keep to the protocols. One of them says he went as high as he could to inform.
Here is one who went rogue and spoke out. He says they were threatened with their jobs if they didn't just go with what Andrew wanted
There is another one who spoke out too... I will have to find it

Basically there was a constant stream of women coming in and they weren't checked in at all because Andrew demanded that.

this one from 6.10 onwards

Thanks @TheAutumnCrow

Archive link https://archive.is/2kAXs

I agree. Can't remember where I read that if a RPO asked questions they were told they would back on the beat in a not very nice area. Same as civil servants who queried Andrew's behaviour - suddenly their promotions didn't happen.

Where was all this pressure coming from - one has to presume the RF?

Yes, and I think it’ll be traced back to QE2’s private secretaries who will have heard it from her.

Separately, but connected, Andrew will have been buttering up mummy in private. But this was QE2’s call.

So the bullying in BP is totally institutionalised it would appear. From the top down. Who would have guessed.

Charles went on and on about how he would slim down the monarch …. crickets … and now, it’s touted to be William. The new broom. But it never happens

I agree about it never happeningg, @NoDrums, but can anyone point me to where Charles has actually said this?

i honestly thought it was all "It's understood that ..." and "An insider said ...", but am happy to be corrected

I also read that the protection officers used to stay in their 'usual rooms' when Andrew stayed with Epstein in NYC.

It was repeated enough times to make it sound as if Charles had said it. You have a point; however the problem is that the RF never actually SAY anything. So everything that they 'say' comes from Palace sources. They only speak though the palaces and that's either an anodyne PR or a denial of some sort (lately).

@simpsonthecat you're very welcome. I felt the same way. Also
like how it addresses various arguments that have been used over the years.

I've also saved it!!

Yes, arm’s length PR. Plausible deniability. Blame the staff. Blame whoever is expendable to you, or who you currently want to put the squeeze on to.

It’s not really going to work now QE2’s in the mix.

I think the only time W spoke off the cuff so to speak was to say ‘we are not a racist family’. He was quick enough to spring to the RF defence on that occasion.

I just saw this (DM), it's not worth reading per se, but the "in Saudi Arabia" caught my eye. Maybe she's there for a horse event but ..Zara Tindall Just Stepped Out...

Edited to add link.

I really hope enough of them speak out now. It really is unacceptable for the Head of State or their representatives to be threatening police officers who try and whistleblow. The RF should not be getting away with any of this.

Nor the police to be investigating whether the RPOs ‘turned a blind eye’. They ought to be given immunity in exchange for their testimony.

Anyone else get the feeling that the met royal protection officers will likely face the full force of the law for “turning a blind eye” and yet nothing will be done about the actual abusers?

@WittyTaupeFox
Yes.
As usual the people at the top will escape censure. KC3 is most unlikely to say that his sainted mama would have anything to do with it. Ditto for William.

I wonder if William spares a thought for the mental health of anyone who had to turn a blind eye to his uncle’s behaviour in order to keep their jobs.

Yes @WittyTaupeFox