Time to either prosecute Andrew or forget him.

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Firstly let me say I am in NO way defending him; hes clearly completely awful in so many ways. Finally stripped of all titles and position, and dumped over in Norfolk, but still not charged with or found guilty of any crime.

But it’s starting to feel like he’s being tried by the press now to sell stories. Isn’t there enough evidence to prosecute? Is there a cover up? Or can we just leave him to himself now? It’s news headlines endlessly…

Mandelson in the other hand is another matter..

Threatening staff not to speak out in light of the most distressing scandal I can remember has nothing to do with ‘how the palace works’

Issuing statements intended to silence Andrew’s accuser using the weight of an institution to do so has nothing to do with ‘how the palace works’

Refusing access to law officers trying to investigate serious crime has nothing to do with ‘how the palace works’

Thats corruption .

I get what youre saying, but I also think that censure is a centuries old social tool that is good for wider society. When society at large expresses displeasure, censure, disgust and disapproval, it enforces to everyone else that this kind of behaviour is not acceptable and will call on criticsism and unwelcome attention. That I think is a way we keep society comliant with certain basic norms.....rooting out sex traffickers an exploiters certainly falls within that category. Maybe the sustained public storm and media attention will make any other over privileged predator out there think twice - probably not because they come to a better moral standing, but because they know if found out, this is the kind of censure they can expect.

Ive just done the same. Also pointing out Parliaments complicity in deciding not to talk about the RF.

AND PS...its no longer just about sleeping with trafficked 16 year olds that an arrogant twit thought were gagging to do it with him because he was a 'Prince' - its now about financial irregularities, fraud, extortion and serious questions being raised about leaking of confidential information at time of his appointment as Special trade envoy, as well as exploitation of contacts for his own enrichment etc.

I am absolutely certain they are. Why wouldcthe Tory government care about what was done under Tony Blairs government? They dont. Parliament has, as they always do, done the bidding of the RF.

I will read that if my blood pressure survives ' entitled' but why, if this is public record is there no pressure on the RF to look into their own systems? They are in charge of their operations. They do the hiring and firing. They are the ones maintaining this culture.

I bet they do through background checks on every minimum wage employee.

Yet they let convicted pedophiles walk in

You do wonder what a PM and a Monarch talk about at these weekly meetings. What is the point of them?
Apparently it's not a meeting, it's an 'audience'. No one else in the room and it is a mechanism for the Monarch to 'advise, encourage and warn'

I bet it is

And a steady stream of prostitutes were allowed to be waved through to AMW because never in the history of espionage have sex workers ever been used as spies or double agents...

And masseuse. At one time 'masseuse' were streaming in to service Andrew. In to Buckingham Palace. There's something on this somewhere, not going to look, I'm sick of him!

If you have nothing to hide then you hide nothing.
If this sort of scandal were hanging over my family, then I would do everything I could to prove the accusations were false.

In my opinion, because the government and successive governments have forgotten the "constituional" part. They have abdicated their responsibilities to a large extent, unless an actual Nazi inherited the throne. Plus historically politicians and palace officials come from the same background, have the same friends and often advisers move from palace to government and back again. To a large extent all our institutions are clubs or echo chambers and one problem with an echo chamber is that you aren't listening to those outside sounding warnings.

No because this isn’t just about Andrew it’s about all of them - they are corrupt and self serving. Yet more announcements yesterday - all it does it make me wonder what’s coming out next. They are desperately trying to contain this and distance themselves but they can’t.

The trouble is our legal system has never investigated AME’s actions and he won’t submit himself to be questioned by the FBI.

So he manifestly has not been dealt with through the legal system - it has been as though he is immune. Plus he has lied and lied again. Of course people are speculating on social media - AMW and his protectors won’t allow the legal
process that the rest of us would be subject to.

Agreed. It’s dull.

(Meghan’s racist media claims are based on faked articles, a bot and the odd troll.

Bored now.)

Agree. The only people who can hold all of them to account is us. So yes, 'trial by media'/social media/heckling in the street. All of that means people are having to resort to holding the powerful to account themselves because the people tasked with upholding democracy and the Rule of Law fail to do so at the merest whiff of a title being refused or disapproval from a Royal.

I don’t really care about prosecution and punishment. It would be very difficult to prove anything anyway and actually having him walk away with a not guilty judgement wouldn’t settle the matter. What I care about is, the establishment cover up, the way he has been protected and that it should never happen again.

We keep hearing statements about how they are all just thinking of the victims and distancing themselves from him as if that’s enough. He has all the receipts. He has dates, he has times, he has names. If a man (and his family) are entirely innocent and genuinely concerned about the victims, getting justice for them, they would be giving all that information to the relevant authorities and making sure those who were guilty are brought to justice.

When it’s clear their motivation is protecting the monarchy above all, they lose all respect.

And if we get the wrong person is that OK. If you fallout with someone and they go online to say you kill kittens and drink their blood and a campaign starts against you do you still think that's how it should be.

It is too dangerous and id never support it.

No thing as a free lunch so what was Amw passing on to Epstein for the sexual proclivities and cash?

That is the fault of the people not doing their jobs in the first place. If justice was seen to be done we wouldnt have mob rule. These things are created in a vacuum, and when there is clear establishment cover up and inaction then people go through improper means to see justice done. If, after open, transparent investigations and misconduct being properly dealt with, people are making up conspiracy theories about people killing kittens when there is no evidence is clearly damaging. But when Parliament hides evidence, the police force who provided close potection officers to AMW deciding there is absolutely nothing to see despite email and photographic evidence to the contrary, people saying they are being intimidated and having their livelihoods threatened by our head of state or their representatives then we lose trust in the entire mechanism. We may as well give up any pretence of living in a democracy if we cant rely on our elected representatives or the police to act in our best interests.

I don't think mob rule is democracy.

Its not. But neither is the Monarchy being able to hide evidence and do what they like, aided and abetted by Parliament, the courts and the police.
Do you think the Royal Family are completely innocent in all this? That they have done everything they could to prevent AMW from behaving as he has over 20 years?

Courtiers is a super read. But I did keep getting cross while reading it.

I’ve also read the Lucy Worsley one which I can’t remember!

Mob rule ??

Is this an attempt to smear legitimate questioning ?

Have you seen the people questioning the Windsors ? No bad language just clear questions
The police aren’t doing much , MPs are doing next to nothing what do you expect decent people to do ?
We should ALL be outraged

Plus historically politicians and palace officials come from the same background, have the same friends and often advisers move from palace to government and back again

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It's seriously weird that high up officials in the Government go backward and forward between that and the Palace

I think of that awful Simon Case, private Sec to Boris Johnson, numerous high up positions in the Government, Head of the Civil Service and was Personal Private Secretary to William. He was the one who found it 'hilarious' people coming off Business class on a plane and ending up in a shoebox quarantined.
He then developed a very convenient medical problem meaning he couldn't testify at the Enquiry, and they held it up for him for a long time. but he never testified despite being in the thick of partygate. And would you believe it, he's now better and holding a senior position. And was given a peerage last June and is now 'Baron Case'