Time to either prosecute Andrew or forget him.

[Bougainsillier]

Firstly let me say I am in NO way defending him; hes clearly completely awful in so many ways. Finally stripped of all titles and position, and dumped over in Norfolk, but still not charged with or found guilty of any crime.

But it’s starting to feel like he’s being tried by the press now to sell stories. Isn’t there enough evidence to prosecute? Is there a cover up? Or can we just leave him to himself now? It’s news headlines endlessly…

Mandelson in the other hand is another matter..

He has been stripped of titles now - king did an about turn

Given the Palace moves at a snails pace, and there is so much currently in the news about all those involved with Epstein, nothing is going to happen if at all quickly.
It depends what the Palace can throw at it to divert... this morning was 'Andrew has moved out of Royal Lodge'
What will they try and fob us off with tomorrow?

Yes interesting. i agree- prosecute if there is cause (which personally I think there is, but it's not my area of law).

I suspect though for such a vain, venal, arrogant man the spectacular fall from grace and the loss of his precious royal titles represents diabolical punishment for him.

I still want true justice for the victims though.

Indeed. So to go back to my original post, is there a cover up? Or just nothing to go on.
It’s certainly sleaze but more?

What has this got to do with the price of fish?

I'm like you, OP, fed up with all the reporting on Andrew but nothing actually happening. His ex wife's antics are a newish revelation and Mandelson ... FFS!

But, do we think the press activity is going to result in some sort of action towards Andrew from KC? I think not now. He's already faced some pretty (to him at least) drastic consequences.

Age is irrelevant if you have been trafficked! My god, do people read posts? So what she was 26?

Just another person trying to shut down discussion, minimise and deflect.

This should be talked about and will be talked about.

In no way defending him, yeah sure. 🤔

He has done some terrible things, why would any decent human think this shouldn’t be talked about? Why would anyone who thinks what he has done is terrible start a thread like this? It’s desperate and very obvious. It won’t work.

I so agree.

It's just sleaze apparently.

I won't stop talking about it. Others won't stop talking about it.

Agree.

There are many more who by the seems of it were more heavily involved, and are getting away scott free while his life is completely ruined and done. Hes being used as a scapegoat.

Plus, I'm so fed up of seeing his face every time I look at a news site.

How uncomfortable for you....

Yes, clumsy wording from me. I meant I find it hard not to believe....

Yes exactly .

I’ve seen it a lot on here whether you realise fully what you are saying or not - you are echoing the handful of shameful Andrew defenders on here.

Re read your post . You are asking for Andrew to be forgotten when he hasn’t even been investigated properly .

I keep saying this and I know I have said it to the point of tedium, but I will go on saying it: Andrew Lownie’s biography of Andrew Windsor states that he was sexualised from the age of about 8 and taken to a prostitute to have sex with her at the age of 11/12. I have also heard him directly say this on a podcast.

This was sexual abuse. To disregard this just because we’re talking about a member of the royal family, is to minimise sexual abuse of children and the devastating effects that this has on their development. It is simply hypocritical to be selective about which people one is going to have compassion for and understanding about.

Yes, all of Epstein’s victims were horribly abused. Yes it looks as though Andrew Windsor was involved in that. Andrew Windsor’s alleged behaviour is entirely consistent with that of someone who has themselves being abused. If you’re going to have understanding, it must be to every victim and understand what this does to them. You can’t sympathise with Earl Spencer and not Andrew Windsor.

I have little time for the royal family, but it does appear that Andrew is an individual who was abused.

These posters have the opposite effect on me. They make me so angry that they want it hushed up, that I read more and talk more about it. Thankfully in this age of social media, this will keep being a main topic and most peoples disgust will override the minority with a different agenda.

Being abused doesn’t excuse being an abuser yourself.

He had the money and people around him to get help. Instead he chose to abuse, He chose to be a sexual predator. He chose to mix with sex traffickers. He liked it. He didn’t care. When found out, he has lied.

Just because you were the victim as a child, doesn’t mean you are a victim as an adult if your behaviour shows you are now a predator yourself.

There is NO excuse.

Plus, I'm so fed up of seeing his face every time I look at a news site.

and Peter Mandelson in his Y-fronts!🤮

If they prosecute him it perhaps opens the gates (pun intended?) to prosecuting others, and there are some extremely powerful people who do not want to be prosecuted.

I didn't read it as he shouldn't be investigated more that she's heard enough of trial by media and could do with a break until an investigation shows up something or nothing.

And I did not say that it excuses it. Children are abused and this affects their behaviour. Unless you grasp this, you minimise what sexual abuse is and does.

I suspect the coverage of AMW is much more in the UK than in the US. Obviously there are more than he (esp in the US) who have serious questions to answer. But on the subject of AMW alone, the more pressure is put upon him to testify re Epstein as a witness the better, and if as he says he is innocent of any wrongdoing, why wouldn't he - ahem) And, like others, I would like to see the pressure to have clarity about his behaviour spill over into other areas (like his behaviour when acting as a Trade Envoy) I for one am prepared to put up with some photos of him horse riding and stories about him moving out of RL if the constant drip drip of pressure achieves that. And SF's charity enterprises.

Of course there are others who need examining more than they have been , but I personally am not at the point where I think AMW can just be dismissed as a "scapegoat".

But it's hardly trial by media when more news stories are coming out all the time, surely?

The majority of children who are abused don’t go on to abuse as adults. He had more means than most to break the cycle. He is not a child anymore, he is a man who chose to be a sexual predator.

Surely it is better to let the appropriate authorities deal with it. Publicly he's been shamed, lost his reputation, home and his titles. There is nothing else public opinion can do is there? If he's committed a crime that should be dealt with.

I agree but when new stories come out they must be reported. We are kept in the dark enough as it is.
If a trafficked woman was sent by Epstein to Andrew in Buckingham Palace, I don't want it hushed up, surely you don't either.

I disagree. The story of this appalling network of exploitation and criminality is emerging gradually, so those who were involved can expect to be under public scrutiny for a good while to come. It took years for them to carry out the despicable acts that are coming to light, so it stands to reason that it will take time to expose. Andrew has had his fun. He needs to resign himself to a long period of infamy and public disgust, whether he is ever held legally accountable or not. I can’t extrude even the tiniest of shits for how he feels about it.