Time to either prosecute Andrew or forget him.

[Bougainsillier]

Firstly let me say I am in NO way defending him; hes clearly completely awful in so many ways. Finally stripped of all titles and position, and dumped over in Norfolk, but still not charged with or found guilty of any crime.

But it’s starting to feel like he’s being tried by the press now to sell stories. Isn’t there enough evidence to prosecute? Is there a cover up? Or can we just leave him to himself now? It’s news headlines endlessly…

Mandelson in the other hand is another matter..

Well, happily, we can all make our individual decisions about that… .

I happen to agree with Ukisgaslit

In this particular situation, I believe that outrage is an entirely legitimate response.

Also, we have seen how, in the past couple of weeks, action such as heckling has produced concrete results. KC3 appears to have taken action in response to raised voices outside of his protected bubble.

Also, in the light of MPs being fearful of speaking out, what action can the public take if they feel strongly about this? We are being let down by our elected officials.

@TheToothFairy999

I have no interest in using sweet words re pedophiles and abusers
The Files and the royal cover up have disgusted me and angered me.

How you feel a post should be worded is no significance.

@Readythiswayplease

Yes outrage is the word .

I wonder about people who do not feel that . I’ve been called ‘too emotional’
I’d say every woman feels emotional on this issue and I reminded myself that despite the name of this website there are likely to be men posting .

Also, in the light of MPs being fearful of speaking out, what action can the public take if they feel strongly about this? We are being let down by our elected officials.

Exactly this.

I actually saw the footage when last week an elderly guy called out to Charles, politely, something like 'when did you know about Andrew, Sir'

He was pulled out by police and said to them - 'I have no option but to call out a question, what else can I do?'

I saw that too .
The old man was surrounded by police
What an image .

I’m sure the Windsors have realised their mistake and there will be no more attempts to silence questioners

Exactly. I hope Charles is similarly heckled at every public engagement from now on until Andrew is forced to take accountability. After all the government is doing nothing, the police are doing little and the royal family are hiding him away.

It seems that the only recourse left for those who want Citizen Andrew to be held accountable is to heckle the other royals directly. Nothing else works after all.

Actually I think the Royals should be heckled until they all take responsibility. They need to be made to feel uncomfortable at every opportunity until they are forced to be more transparent about their operations. All of them. AMW may be a bad apple but the first instinct of the RF was to go to any lengths to protect their reputation. One that they do not deserve, judging by their past behaviour.

The Files and the royal cover up have disgusted me and angered me

That much is obvious and very unfortunate in that your approach to the above over shadows the abuse of the women.

That’s your opinion
What have you contributed?

I’m sure the Windsors have realised their mistake and there will be no more attempts to silence questioners

I wouldn't want to assume that, @Ukisgaslit - not when we remember what happened with Graham Smith of Republic at the coronation, when he liaised with police as to where they'd be and what they'd be doing, only to find himself and several others arrested for the day when they used it as entrapment

FWIW I dislike heckling of individuals and believe there are better ways to get the point across, but right now it's not easy to blame the hecklers, even if they'd do better addressing those with the actual power to make a difference if only they were prepared to use it

I feel exactly the same way.

I dislike heckling too but I think basically decent people are resorting to this now in the absence of other accessible mechanisms.

Similarly, I don’t feel I want to join Republic UK, but I was interested to hear Graham Smith on Sky News tonight, at least I think it was him, talking about how the RF is one of the most secretive organisations in the UK and historians have called it more secretive than MI5 or the CIA.

It struck me that this is not an ideal characteristic for the Head of State of a democracy!

I did initially join in the conversation until you put me off with your style of posting.

There are people here who write very well about the Republican cause and can get their points across without putting people off, and can indeed encourage others to think about it. It’s what I meant by you ‘catching more flies with honey than vinegar’. You could learn a lot from them.

I am sure that Ukisgaslit
can speak up for themselves but why is it necessary to get personal like this TheToothFairy999?

Why can’t you just address the subject of the thread? Or scroll over a poster’s contribution if you don’t like it.

Tbh I am suspecting an attempt at a thread derail.

I agree, but for Andrew, in a twisted bizarre way, losing his titles, his mini palace and being publicly humiliated, is his personal idea of hell. This is the way with arrogant abusive people, used to throw their weight about.
A friend of mine worked for the Airport Authorities in Spain in the early 2000s. She was unfortunate enough to meet Andrew at the authorities lounge of one of the airports. She told us back then he was a stratosferically arrogant man. They were shocked how he spoke to the "minions" who accompanied him, like they were 1850s servants. He asked my friend for a 12 year old whisky. By then, she was so pissed off with him she took a glass, poured half an 8 year old whisky plus half a 4 year old whisky and said to her colleague, well 8+4 makes 12. And served it to him. He gulped it down with no comment. Idiot.

Why can’t you just address the subject of the thread? Or scroll over a poster’s contribution if you don’t like it

⬆️ This. And we have to bear in mind, everyone has a different style of posting. Some are brief and abrupt, some are long winded, some are factual but boring, some are informative, some are amusing. I am glad we are all different! I scroll past when it doesn't interest me or I go 'ouch'. If it doesn't break TG, leave people be, someone else will like their posts!

That level of arrogance, to me is so strange. He was where he was, because of an accident of birth. Had he been Andrew smith down the chip shop

1. no one would give him the time of day
2. he’d probably be languishing in some jail

I agree, but for Andrew, in a twisted bizarre way, losing his titles, his mini palace and being publicly humiliated, is his personal idea of hell. This is the way with arrogant abusive people, used to throw their weight about.
This is what I would have thought until I saw those pictures of him smiling and waving at people in Windsor Great Park. As if people would be impressed by seeing him? It probably ruined their walk. He either has no concept of how awful this is, or he's still being cossetted in private by his family and forgot that he is meant to act like a pariah when the plebs are around.

@RainbowBagels

I believe there are many people who think Andrew is innocent - there are certainly some MN posters who are Andrew apologists. We have had recent posts blaming Epstein's victims' parents for example.

Either that or they don’t see what he has done as that bad. It’s mind blowing when you read the excuses some posters make for his behaviour.

Yes that is true. Its all a bit 'Oh boys will be boys', a bit sleazy but they were paid and got to travel around the world stuff. I don't see them saying anything like that about the other perpetrators. It demonstrates what is wrong with having a RF in the first place. That some people will just excuse them just about anything ( probably the type of people who will work for them and go to any lengths possible to cover up for their behaviour). It allows them to get away with a lot because they feel entitled and know they have a ready supply of people willing to fall on their swords to defend and cover up for them.

They obviously haven’t read Entitled

The information in there about him and SF is very specific and relentless, even though it does focus more on the financial aspects, there are plenty of incriminating details about AMW’s sexual wrongdoings too.

You can’t really read the book and believe him to be innocent.

Lots of people are still saying well this is a US case and why are they focusing on AMW but AMW and Ghislaine Maxwell are both British establishment figures who are right in the thick of the scandal and it’s looking like more and more suspected criminality took place here too, so you’d think there would be some effort at our end to investigate fully, aside from the Thames Valley Police investigation for example?

What about malfeasance in public office for a start?

Hard to draw any other conclusion. May the heckles continue.

You can’t really read the book and believe him to be innocent

He'd surely have sued if any of it was false .

Or scroll over a poster’s contribution if you don’t like it

If only others would do the same.

Yes I’ve just heard Lewis Goodall on Newscast say he finds it “astonishing” why we are out-sourcing our institutional curiosity about this matter to Congress, the USA Dept, of Justice and the FBI?

He said it should be a matter for our Parliament and I have to agree on both points.