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Sarah Ferguson - just as bad as Andrew?

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TheHaplessWit · 31/01/2026 18:26

So whilst Epstein was serving house arrest following his conviction for sex trafficking young girls, Fergie sent him messages - from the BBC:

Some emails in the latest release appear to be between Epstein and Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's ex-wife.
One email dated 4 April 2009, was signed "Love, Sarah, The red Head.!!"
It says that she was going to be in Palm Beach and wanted to have tea. The email goes on to discuss ideas for Ferguson's company, Mother's Army. The former Duchess of York refers to Epstein as "My dear spectacular and special friend Jeffrey".
She calls him a "legend" and says "I am so proud of you".
The financier was still under house arrest for his 2008 conviction when the email exchange was sent.

Ignoring the money she took and questionable business arrangements, ignoring Andrews behaviour even (that's in another thread). How can any woman, who knows this man is trafficking young girls, act like this?

Please tell me she no longers receives any sort of public funding/housing from the tax payer?

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PolkaDotPorridge · 05/02/2026 06:22

They’re both utterly revolting people. Their daughters must be devastated to have such awful parents.

AmazingGraced · 05/02/2026 08:24

PolkaDotPorridge · 05/02/2026 06:22

They’re both utterly revolting people. Their daughters must be devastated to have such awful parents.

Surely they knew really what both their parents are like?

viques · 05/02/2026 09:14

AmazingGraced · 05/02/2026 08:24

Surely they knew really what both their parents are like?

If they didn’t before they certainly do now. I don’t know how you come back from knowing your parent discussed your sex life with someone who trafficked young women of your own age for middle aged perverts like your father to rape.

Coffeeishot · 05/02/2026 12:42

Why was she there what was she talking to him about ? all Hello mentioned was her textured dress and other outfits.

Bellaunion · 06/02/2026 06:40

EverybodyLTB · 03/02/2026 18:52

Jesus wept. There is no age of consent in regards to trafficking. If there was (there still isn’t) then Epstein’s 2008 victims were as young as 14 so still irrelevant to the age of consent in the UK. In 2008, which wasn’t the dark ages, an old rich and powerful man having sex with a trafficked 14 year old was disgusting. Having half dressed girls wandering around your mansion, yachts, private jets and private island, was massively inappropriate and not at all something a grown adult should ever be turning a blind eye to. I do remember being an adult human in 2008, and whilst things yes have improved since then, it wasn’t some kind of far off alien world where pedos aren’t revolting.

Pp saying we didn’t have all the information back then? Yes we did, it was published at the time, and anything ‘buried’ would have been uncovered by the huge network of secret service and other officials surrounding the ex-Prince at the time. That’s before we even look at the fact that the RF hold a unique and privileged position of power, and should hold themselves to an extremely high standard. They never really have done, and that’s why they should go. The late queen? Disgusting enabler.

Did the queen not lend Andrew the money for his settlement to pay Virginia Guiffre? I think it's absolutely horrifying she did, she never did anything to condemn his behaviour and the loan of the money almost seemed some sort of acceptance of it all.

I also disagree as above there was a generational element above it. My parents are a few years older than Andrew and Sarah and there's no way in a hundred million years, they would have allowed a known child abuser in our house like some persons mum did on here. Them and everyone they knew and in our family of their generation find that behaviour and people like Epstein absolutely abhorrent. I find making excuses for it being a generation thing, almost minimises the excuse of their behaviour.

They are both absolutely despicable people and I hugely hope that they are made to answer for some of this (though I can't imagine they will be). I also find it hugely concerning their daughters and especially Eugenie who runs an anti slavery charity have been silent over it.

ThePoshUns · 06/02/2026 07:33

I really think KC and PW need to make a statement or do an interview, to say how appalled they are by AMW and SF and the whole Epstein debacle, emphasising their sadness for the victims VG in particular or they will be forever tainted by their proximity to this scandal.

deeahgwitch · 06/02/2026 09:27

“Did the Queen not lend Andrew the money for his settlement to pay Virginia Giuffre ? I think it’s absolutely horrifying she did, she never did anything to condemn his behaviour……..”
What she did @Bellaunionwas get him to escort her to church just after the story was in the media.
That said it all really.
Some people try to spin it that she, as head of the Church of England was being the ultimate Christian, forgiving him.
I’m not buying that. I thought it was 2 fingers to her subjects.

Lalgarh · 06/02/2026 09:52

ThePoshUns · 06/02/2026 07:33

I really think KC and PW need to make a statement or do an interview, to say how appalled they are by AMW and SF and the whole Epstein debacle, emphasising their sadness for the victims VG in particular or they will be forever tainted by their proximity to this scandal.

Charles was heckled on a visit yesterday

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/25829439.king-charles-heckled-brother-andrew-dedham-visit/

Heckler confronts King Charles about disgraced brother during royal visit

A heckler confronted King Charles III during his royal visit to the village of Dedham on the Suffolk and Essex border.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/25829439.king-charles-heckled-brother-andrew-dedham-visit/

ThePoshUns · 06/02/2026 10:08

Exactly they need to address it head on or it will continue like this.

Ukisgaslit · 06/02/2026 10:13

@ThePoshUns
No more waffle and hand wringing is completely meaningless

Stop protecting Andrew and if he won’t co operate with police inquiries- have the multi million pound security we pay for, do so

Ukisgaslit · 06/02/2026 10:19

@Bellaunion

Not only did Elizabeth Windsor not condemn Andrew she made sure to condemn his victim.
Do you not remember the Buckingham Palace statement saying Virginia Guiffre accusations were ‘false and without foundation’

They knew she was telling the truth ! But they used their position to try to smear Andrew’s victim . That was an utter abuse of privilege too.

simpsonthecat · 06/02/2026 10:26

Do you not remember the Buckingham Palace statement saying Virginia Guiffre accusations were ‘false and without foundation’

Oh gosh yes, I'd forgotten this. What fools the Palace have turned out to be. Andrew is a proven liar and they fell for everything he said.

Musicalchef · 06/02/2026 11:05

simpsonthecat · 06/02/2026 10:26

Do you not remember the Buckingham Palace statement saying Virginia Guiffre accusations were ‘false and without foundation’

Oh gosh yes, I'd forgotten this. What fools the Palace have turned out to be. Andrew is a proven liar and they fell for everything he said.

I don't think they fell for Andrew lies. They knew and tried to gasslight the public. The queen knew, he is allegedly her favourite son. Charles is also friendly with many other pedophiles like Saville. And William had business with Epstein, only for a start. They knew...

NoDrums · 06/02/2026 11:22

If they didn’t before they certainly do now. I don’t know how you come back from knowing your parent discussed your sex life with someone who trafficked young women of your own age for middle aged perverts like your father to rape.

Harsh but spot on. I bought Andrew Lownie’s book “Entitled” yesterday and almost at the end of the part about Ferguson. It’s unbelievable how much of a spoilt, selfish, entitled, foolish wastrel Ferguson has been (and probably still is) and how the palace, the RF and the whole system of thinking how some moron with a title was worth money.

I’ve never been a fan of the Royal family but wasn’t particularly against them either. But after everything that has happened with Andrew, and reading about the sheer wastage and depravity - words actually fail me - what Elizabeth Windsor and her family have been doing are unconscionable and it just cannot and must not continue. No Royal (yeah right) family in Europe has the power and wealth that the UK one does. They are an utter joke. Their whole existence is predicated upon maintaining an outdated feudal system with meaningless titles and false pomp. It’s even more intolerable especially when every normal person in this country is suffering and worn down with worry about finances, access to healthcare, housing, the list is endless.

I was very irritated by Meghan Markle and still am. But after reading “Entitled”, Ferguson (and probably many others, but Ferguson for sure) is her playbook. The fact that Elizabeth Windsor and the establishment has continued to enable that is mind-blowing.

I really recommend reading the book. It has been an absolute eye-opener. I knew Ferguson was an idiot but my god. And to think that palace staff had to refer to her as HRH? Sickening.

And I haven’t even started on the section on Andrew yet.

simpsonthecat · 06/02/2026 12:26

@NoDrums The book is unbelievable. The sources Lownie called on are amazing, people from the top to the bottom. To have 350 sources prepared to go on record with their names shows doggedness on the part of the author.

I could not believe what I was reading about Sarah, I knew it would be bad, but not this bad. She likes to come across as best mother, happiest divorced person, philanthropist but she treated people like shit. She did not expect to pay bills, especially to those whose business depended on it. She really was such an unpleasant person only equalled by her ex Andrew.

Ukisgaslit · 06/02/2026 12:31

Andrew is STILL legally Duke of York and STILL in the line of succession

NoDrums · 06/02/2026 12:40

simpsonthecat · 06/02/2026 12:26

@NoDrums The book is unbelievable. The sources Lownie called on are amazing, people from the top to the bottom. To have 350 sources prepared to go on record with their names shows doggedness on the part of the author.

I could not believe what I was reading about Sarah, I knew it would be bad, but not this bad. She likes to come across as best mother, happiest divorced person, philanthropist but she treated people like shit. She did not expect to pay bills, especially to those whose business depended on it. She really was such an unpleasant person only equalled by her ex Andrew.

Yes, well said. I didn’t think of that - the number of people who agreed to go on record. Sarah F is rotten beyond my worst expectations of her. I’m shocked that I’m shocked if you know what I mean. I feel this book should be mandatory reading!

Coffeeishot · 06/02/2026 12:52

I don"t think he is Duke of york all his titles are no longer.

TheAutumnCrow · 06/02/2026 13:25

viques · 05/02/2026 09:14

If they didn’t before they certainly do now. I don’t know how you come back from knowing your parent discussed your sex life with someone who trafficked young women of your own age for middle aged perverts like your father to rape.

Andrew’s chief aide at the grifting Pitch@Palace was David Stern, who frequently liaised with Epstein on Andrew’s and indeed his own behalf. David Stern described a 23 year old Beatrice to Epstein as ‘not the cute one’.

Fucking vile people; and what a sick culture at the Palace.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/06/david-stern-prince-andrew-aide-epstein

‘I am always on your team!!’: how Andrew’s aide kept close ties with Epstein right to the end

Files suggest David Stern was Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘man in the palace’, passing messages to the former prince until 2019

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/06/david-stern-prince-andrew-aide-epstein

ThePoshUns · 06/02/2026 13:35

It just gets worse.

TheAutumnCrow · 06/02/2026 13:37

From the Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/02/06/sarah-ferguson-unpaid-debts-drove-andrew-into-epstein-arms/

It won’t archive right now for some reason for me, but hopefully the gist is clear.

Fergie’s unpaid debts drove Andrew back into Epstein’s arms

Mountbatten-Windsor’s ex-wife needed cash to pay her personal assistant... so the Duke went cap in hand to the financier

ThePoshUns · 06/02/2026 13:52

Always the woman’s fault, ffs

viques · 06/02/2026 13:52

TheAutumnCrow · 06/02/2026 13:25

Andrew’s chief aide at the grifting Pitch@Palace was David Stern, who frequently liaised with Epstein on Andrew’s and indeed his own behalf. David Stern described a 23 year old Beatrice to Epstein as ‘not the cute one’.

Fucking vile people; and what a sick culture at the Palace.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/06/david-stern-prince-andrew-aide-epstein

That article is unbelievable. AMW is clearly thicker than a very thick thing, he was completely led by the nose by Epstein and this Stern person( and heaven knows who else) . Only someone very dim, with absolutely no self awareness and a huge level of entitlement could be so gullible, thinking these people were paying for you to whiz around the world, and cultivating your presence because of your fabulous personality and amazing business acumen.

I thought SF was naive and greedy, seems AMW was cut from the same cloth. Did no one working for the RF not advise them, or did the pair of them just ignore any advice they were given.

MidWayThruJanuary · 06/02/2026 13:56

He kept Epstein abreast of everything, no matter how trivial. Princess Beatrice had got a job with a company called Signia Invest. “This is where PA’s daughter now works (not the cute one),” wrote Stern in June 2012.

They had no shame. None of them.