Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

Even now a quarter of a million was taken out the PitchPalace account on 4th Jan this year...

Hang on, do you mean January 2025 or 2026?

Yes I agree with that! If you cant sack someone promote them away from any trouble!

I think it was Eugenie in the art gallery, though she now apparently lives in Portugal so I don't know if she's still employed by them. Beatrice was a VP in some tech firm but again, seemed to have been appointed to that role directly rather than worked her way up, so I really don't think she would've got invited to speak anywhere if not for her title.

Wish I was Posh !!

They are by no means the only ones trading on their connections. Zara Phillips may be an Olympic medallist but let's not pretend that she'd get the sponsorship deals she does without her royal connections. She and her husband are currently on their annual all expenses paid Australia jolly, which must be a nice little earner for them.

But certainly the Yorks take it to a new level.

So sorry, yes 2025. Honestly, I have barely moved across to 2026 yet!!

They go at least once a year, often twice. And yes all paid for.

Why is it that people with loaded parents who have had the best education money can buy never really do anything with it? Look at the Beckham boys, the royal princesses, the Middleton children…… I suppose having a real job doesn’t leave much time for holidays and you have to work a proper day. I can’t think of many posh offspring that do ‘real’ jobs using their education.

Yes, I agree. Just 'being rich' isn't a career.

Charles being more than a billionaire, I just wonder why he doesn't pay out more to the wider family to stop their grifting. But I suppose, for some of them, it wouldn't matter how much they've got, they just want more. Look at Sarah & Andrew... greed, avarice,
Was Andrew so broke he had no choice but to cosy up to middle eastern oligarchs and gun runners... or was enough never enough.
I think... in both Sarah and Andrew's cases, that is true.

Zara and Mike have been cleverer than the Yorks. The sponsorship deals they accept mostly relate to their sports backgrounds. Of course they have been offered them because of their public profiles but at least there is a tenuous link to things they have actually achieved.

I don't think Charles should feel he has to be supporting random family members, after all where do you draw the line? Going forward anyone not in the direct line of succession needs to be raised with an expectation of getting a job, as the Edinburgh's appear to be doing and as happened with Princess Margaret's children. If people want to sponsor them to turn up to things that's their look out. It's not different from any other nepo baby after all.

I know PMs son did an apprenticeship and has a good reputation for his (extremely expensive) bespoke carpentry. I believe her daughter is an ‘artist’.

Zara Philips has done business with Johnny Hon.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14218019/Fergie-Zara-paid-hong-kong-tycoon-link-china-shady-network.html

Their only qualifications for anything is who they know. They're entry level useful idiots for anyone trying to make more important contacts in the establishment.

EDIT: sorry Simpsonthecat this reply was not meant for you but for MrsLeonFarrell!
I attached it to the wrong quote!

I disagree! Given what we know now, I think Charles should be paying out more to his wider family as most of their issues seem to stem from cash!

If they are going to impose no HIHO then they need to make proper provision for the rest so they are not tempted by fake journalists and dodgy wheeler dealers and Chinese spies! (Do we know yet what Andrew received in return for his hospitality? Is anyone asking?)

Obviously, Andrew was a special case bc his avarice and that of SF’s seems to know no bounds!

The truth is, imho, that of course Charles and William, as beneficiaries of the annual £21 million profits respectively of the Duchies, are deeply embedded in HIHO! And while practising it themselves, they impose HIHO on others. Possibly an unpopular opinion on these boards but I believe that in part contributed to why Harry left and felt he was unfairly treated, because he saw Charles, William and Andrew living high on the hog, and he couldn’t see a way forward for him and his family.

Let’s face it, no sane person would want their annual budget to be determined by their father or sibling. I’ve seen the same fallout in trust fund families where parents use money to control their offspring.

The entire financial set up needs completely re-organising as do all of the separate offices briefing against one another. The two together are a recipe for family toxicity!

Or maybe just scratch the lot and elect a Head of State who is fully accountable and comes with less baggage?

Let’s face it, no sane person would want their annual budget to be determined by their father or sibling. I’ve seen the same fallout in trust fund families where parents use money to control their offspring.
This is the result of TLQ negotiating the incredibly favourable Sovereign Grant so they have deliberately engineered a system that means that the Monarchs children have to put out the begging bowl to their parent/ sibling for the rest of their lives. So in their desperation to keep their finances secret, pay less tax and rake in more moolah from the Crown Estate they have unsurprisingly ignored the effect on their own children.

Charles hasn't shown particularly good judgement when it comes to sex offenders (i realise this is a drastic understatement), but Charles is also not alone in this failure

Correct as usual, @MrsLeonFarrell ... however he's the only one who's literally and formally exempt from the law

In theory the rest aren't, but might as well be when - as you rightly point out - parliament refuses even to discuss the endless horrors

I agree that some of them have issues around money and entitlement. I disagree that the solution is for Charles to hand out a stipend.

The solution is for them to grow up knowing that they will need to earning a living. We need to really slim down the monarchy and that doesn't include encouraging those not in the direct line of succession to sit around idle.

The Duchies of Lancaster (administered by the government not Charles) and Cornwall (which has strict rules about profits etc like all "entailed" estates) are the very opposite of HIHO given that they are there to provide income for the two people who can't leave, the Monarch and the Heir.

We may have questions and concerns about how they are run, and I do. We may want to see financial clarity and reform, and I do. But the solution is not to create a situation where tangential people sit around being given money for nothing by virtue of the family they were born into.

So many variations of half in half out fod other family members and then the shit arse end of how you get your money handed down to you or controlled for you by other family members and you habe no say in it, dependent completely on them and you want a half i half ojr variatoon like others have but get told no and you were raised up knowing your a spare child and treated differently not even an equal in so many ways, love, attention etc ......yeah who wouldn't be pissed off and resentful

So i agree with the above posts it all needs an overhaul and this is where modernisation needs fo happen but it would affect their monwy so they won't 🙄

PM- You mean Princess Margaret’s son , not Starmer’s, just to avoid possible confusion. Plus, why inverted commas around artist? Is it questionable whether she is an artist or not?

I agree with you. It's unbelievably dysfunctional.

I wish there was one, just one who actually made a success of something that didn't involve trading off the royal name. (I'm not talking the likes of David Linley who has made a great business with his bespoke carpentry) but those in direct line like heir's siblings or their children.

Obviously Princess Margaret as it’s in response to a slightly earlier post.My use of quotation marks was to indicate my cynicism that what her art sells for would finance the lifestyle I imagine they have. (Note the word imagine, I have no inside knowledge but as a gc of the Queen Mother and daughter of a princess, I imagine they don’t live in a semi and sent their offspring to the local comp.)

I wish there was one, just one who actually made a success of something that didn't involve trading off the royal name. (I'm not talking the likes of David Linley who has made a great business with his bespoke carpentry) but those in direct line like heir's siblings or their children

David Linley was the child of a monarch's sibling, so in the same position as Harry, Zara, Eugenie et all.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying MrsLeonFarrell

In order for them to earn a living, realistically, I think the issue of the press needs to be tackled.

Take, for example, Sophie’s children. It’s often said that they are being raised to have ordinary jobs but can you actually see the press leaving them alone?

(Incidentally, I think the press is another area where the RF left Harry exposed. He may be taking on a huge risk with this court case but at least he is confronting the issue head on, unlike his step-mother who seems to curry favour in the papers by wining and dining the culprits!)

True! I realised that as I typed it and missed the correction window!