Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

They're not going anywhere. Maybe in a couple of generations time, not before. They love it!

And they get richer and richer as time goes on, they have more holidays, more freedom to holiday, they are more protected than ever. And since the last disastrous kate and william royal tour to the Caribbean, they can knock those on the head too. There is more scrutiny but they can easily just ignore it.
We're stuck with them.

I think it will just fade away @Maidenjourney with each scandal
imo. But I’m no psychic so who knows. Tbh so many corrupt powerful people, I’m not sure anything will actually improve.

I think they may do less and be less prominent, but they still have all the perks which continue to increase . They will be living in luxury with no demands to actually 'do' anything.

The problem with 'doing away with the monarchy' is that it will only reveal just how many people (usually men) in positions of power whether in government, judiciary, police, armed forces, industry or public sector are guilty of the things that these threads are criticising (in some cases rightly tbf) the Royal Family of. Right now, AMW is an easy target, deflecting attention from the hundreds and thousands of other, equally smug but far more intelligent (and therefore dangerous) men who didn't just have sex with a 17 year old but whose preferences are far more evil.

Another thoroughly sensible post, Thedom, but I don't see one iota of it happening; if we really are entering an end game they'll cling on as long as the opportunities keep coming with no regard for anyone or anything else in the hope that even this will blow over

And your suggestion for what Edward could have said was excellent, @TheAutumnCrow, except it would have taken integrity or even just a little wit, and he's another who appears to have neither

I've said this all the way along. I agree. The massive payout to them will remain the same, they will increase their personal wealth to unbelievable levels, but when William takes over, we will see very little of them except for state occasions or when they have no choice but to turn up.
The press will be muzzled totally... after all K&W managed to get a holiday on a luxurious yacht this year, but there was barely any reporting of it. They got in and out of the country without anyone knowing. That set a precedent.

The new monarchy will be well hidden away from prying eyes and social media. Until the day we wonder what we are actually paying for....

Charles was not 'duped' by the paedophile Archbishop Peter Ball.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/14/friendship-with-prince-charles-made-paedophile-bishop-peter-ball-impregnable

Did Lord Mountbatten, the serial child abuser, 'dupe' Charles too?

We know, MidWayThruJanuary; nobody who's read what Charles actually wrote could possibly argue that he couldn't have been aware of Ball's paedophilia had he wished to be, no matter how much heavy lifting "he didn't know" is supposed to do

As for Mountbatten, it may well be even worse than you suggest, given that the family encouraged his mentoring by a known and prolific paedophile
It's hard to imagine what kind of family would offer up their eldest to. such a man. but then it's the Windsors so ...

If Angela Rayner wants it, Angela Rayner will likely get extremely close to getting it …

BOTH sets of TE documents - AMW and Mandelson.

This is a grow-up moment for the UK ( and the RF), if Mandelson's TE activities are allowed to be scrutinied but not AMW's.

A few earlier kings might disagree with that. One lost his head, and two their throne.

The age of Parliamentary deference seems to have started with Victoria.

Yes I think the last monarch had already been born, whether that is William, George or one of his siblings. William shows every inventing of modernising them out of existence by refusing to do anything except enrich himself. There will be a gap where he won't be able to excuse his idleness with ' doing the school run' nonsense. Especially when they will all be at boarding school.

Yes exactly. Mandledon is likely to face criminal.charges for misconduct in a public office, was very quickly de- lorded ( as he should) yet Andrew had this hanging over his head for 15 years. What has happened to him? He has everything covered up for years, his misdemeanours covered up by government, his accusers paid off by the Head if State and has to move to a smaller stately home! The contrast does demonstrate the difference between a hereditary head of state and an elected official quite starkly.

Yes Charles II must be laughing his head off wherever he is that Parliament has basically reintroduced absolute Monarchy voluntarily!

was very quickly de- lorded

Not yet - the legislation will have to go through Parliament.

The same legislation, if worded correctly, should be able to remove AMW's dukedom (his remaining title that KC3 couldn't personally remove).

I think if there are incriminating mentions of other members of the RF, outwith the Yorks, in any of the future drops of Epstein flies, that may well spell the end. Charles and William are both mentioned in this drop, but nothing really scandalous.

I dont think its the mentioning, it's the cover up and enabling of Andrew. There was correspondence between Epsteins staff and Palace staff, young girls photographed all over Royal households etc. If there is a push to get the Trade envoy files declassified, I think that would really be bad for him. I feel a bit sorry for Charles. His mother has really stitched him up. By all accounts he is the only one who there is a record of being against AMW being given any role. He knew he was going to use Royal visits to shag prostitutes. He was overruled by QEII and now has to deal with all the shit she left behind. All the upset over Harry and Meghan and her legacy has been trashed by her enabling of Andrew, and Fergie.

But Charles could choose to do the right thing instead of hiding and metaphorically going la-la-la while he covers his ears and hopes it will all go away.

He could speak out decisively to support the victims and use his (we are told non-existent) power to push for the trade envoy records to be published and push for an investigation into AMW's involvement with what appears to be a huge sex trafficking operation. Cut the rot out of the monarchy. Save the institution even at the cost of letting an his brother face justice, face the consequences of his loathsome actions.

But he's not doing any of that, I bet nothing like that is crossing his mind. They are such a troubled family. I wonder what William thinks. I wonder what Kate thinks about bringing up their children in such a toxic environment.

Very good point!

There are often calls for the monarchy to resign but they can’t. An individual could of course but there’s a long line of succession running to possibly hundreds of people. The only way to change our constitutional monarchy is through parliament and for it to be a key element of a successful elected government. In other words the people have to vote for it.

Yes, for sure any elected head of state could also be an awful person but they are way more accountable and replaceable than an unelected monarch.

It just keeps coming out. I know this is about an aide but do we really think Andrew didn't know he was passing information to Epstein?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/06/david-stern-prince-andrew-aide-epstein

Clearly Beatrice is just carrying on with the precedent set by daddy dearest. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/06/andrew-vouched-for-epstein-on-state-visit-to-uae-with-queen

But the royals are just carrying on - the king with his Amazon doc, William and Kate meeting the Archbishop of Canterbury. I guess if things get really bad they'll trot out the Wales children as a distraction.

I really think KC and PW need to make a statement or do an interview, to say how appalled they are by AMW and SF and the whole Epstein debacle, emphasising their sadness for the victims VG in particular or they will be forever tainted by their proximity to this scandal.