Andrew - continuing his effort to end the Monarchy

[TheHaplessWit]

Another new story on Andrew today. Photo's have emerged showing that on Epstein's desk, there were emails regarding Epstein paying debts owed by Andrew/Sarah to staff:

https://people.com/epstein-had-emails-staff-ex-prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-new-photos-show-11880419

Why on Earth was a Prince of England having his staff paid by a sex trafficker?
Doesn't seem "too honourable" to me.

This scandal not only shows how unaccountable the RF but also those in government. How can we have any trust in anyone in public life?

I promise I'm not a tin foil hat person but I was on TwitX last night and for the first time saw photos (wish I hadn't but my fault for being there) of the apparently dead Epstein. There are comparisons with the alive version which show rather distinct differences between the folds on his outer ear.

Now until this I had certainly never believed he took his own life, but these photos plus a statement released by a prison employee about him being moved in a wheelchair that night and a van arriving...I know it sounds far-fetched. I had strongly believed the people he had kompromat on were behind his demise, now I wonder if they helped him disappear? Is this why Andrew won't talk? Am I down a rabbit hole?!

So Mandelson now under police investigation which was announced immediately after complaints this afternoon from the other political parties. Andy nope nada nothing, no investigation, no helping with enquiries after 6 years.

Mandelson was appointed ambassador to the US in February 2025, well after his close links with Epstein were known.

Financial Times 2023: https://archive.is/19g6R

To imply that any response has been immediate (in comparison to Andrew) is a bit of a stretch.

He has been reported to police because he may well have committed a criminal act in the UK.

A number of MPs earlier called for a criminal investigation into Mandelson to be launched, after emails suggested he forwarded internal government information to Epstein. The SNP and Reform have both reported him to the Metropolitan Police.
The Met says it has "received a number of reports relating to alleged misconduct in a public office", and will review them to determine if they "meet the criminal threshold for investigation".

That’s an interesting theory which I certainly wouldn’t dismiss out of hand.

It is incredible how he managed to snare so many high profile people, not all of them needed his money. He doesn’t even come across as a charismatic character in the interviews of him I have seen, he appears cold, superior and detached. Plus he couldn’t even spell or write a coherent sentence going by the communications released.

@pinkbox, is the suggestion that he is living a life of luxury in Israel or Russia ?

Interesting that the SNP have reported Mandleson given the shenanigans going on in that party !

@bluegreygreen

He has been reported to police because he may well have committed a criminal act in the UK.

Agreed, misconduct in public office and possibly, as well, according to some, the catch all of breaches of the Official Secrets Act.

Not sure where people think he is. But it's certainly got legs.

What's this about Melania?

Is Putin the only man who actually managed to avoid getting entangled with Epstein?

Yes I was shocked when I saw some snippets of interviews with him yesterday.

Little sign of charisma, or even fluency of speech!

His money must have done the talking perhaps?

Because Putin was running him as an asset?

Is it correct that the Cabinet Office is largely to blame for preventing debate about AMW?

Certain MPs did ask for time in the schedule to debate AMW before Christmas I believe and were rejected.

Lownie's book says that Epstein not only claimed to have introduced Trump to Melania, he claimed to have slept with her previously too. Or at least the version I got from my local library said that. The passage has apparently been removed in subsequent editions following a complaint from the lady herself. https://www.newsweek.com/publisher-harpercollins-uk-removes-melania-trump-claims-book-issues-apology-10844442

The Erskine May rule says that discussing the conduct of the Royal family (and other public figures such as judges) must be done properly in a formal motion, not incidentally in another discussion.

This means that parliament has to allow time to do it. As the government has much more control over parliamentary time than the opposition, realistically it is up to them.

Link to Erskine May: Incidental criticism of conduct of certain persons not permitted

Well the KGB were supposed to be bankrolling him

Excuse my ignorance but surely this probe must include Andrew too?

Lownie has been emphasising throughout that there is enough information on Andrew during his time representing the UK as Trade Envoy to convict him of alleged fraud and corruption offences and that he has a whole file of papers that he has offered to present to the National Crime Agency but no one is interested.

So I don’t understand why Mandy is being investigated and not Pandy?

If Scotland Yard has confirmed it is looking into allegations that an ex-Cabinet minister committed misconduct in public office by sending 'market sensitive' No10 emails to Jeffrey Epstein, then why are they not looking in to Andrew’s alleged misdemeanours too?

Or rather why would they announce one and not the other?

Obviously Mandelsohn held a much more significant and senior role but misconduct in public office covers both sets of alleged crimes surely?

Andrew Lownie was on Woman's Hour this morning discussing Sarah Ferguson.

She wasn't just taking Beatrice and Eugenie to stay with Epstein whilst he was under house arrest, she also introduced them to Peter Nygård who's also been convicted to sex offences, and P Diddy

Edit for background

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Nyg%C3%A5rd

Bloody hell, there are no words! Another interesting tidbit from Lownie's book is that those who knew her were a bit bemused by all Fergie's gushing talk about being a mother and her being acclaimed as Mother of the Year by random charities. Apparently it was all for show as she rarely came to school events and constantly palmed the girls off on a nanny. This is an article from the DM but it's just a summation of what's in Entitled. https://archive.ph/QclZf

Thank you

That's the sex offender's name I couldn't remember! There are photos of Sarah, Beatrice and Eugenie on holiday in a villa with the revolting Nygard.

I just cannot get over how many sex offenders, paedophiles, traffickers end up mixing with members of the royal family. It's bizarre! I have a big (ish) family and not one of us would know, fraternise with anyone of this ilk. What is it about the Windsors?
There is something wrong if these revolting people are attracted to them because they are royal, and it gives them kudos. But more importantly that even when members of the RF know, they just carry on mixing with them! There's a big list!
Why didn't Charles cut off Peter Ball. When it started to become obvious about Saville... ditto.
When Epstein was convicted, why did the Yorks carry on fraternising with him, to the most ridiculous degree, then lying about it?
They are such a peculiar dysfunctional family

Scotland Yard have said that they are 'reviewing the reports to see if they meet the threshold for investigation' - so they are not currently investigating.

If the emails were indeed sent, there are 2 possible criminal offences that I can think of - misconduct in public office, and an offence under the Official Secrets Acts. Either of these could be offences in the UK, and so could be investigated and prosecuted if necessary within the UK.

Lownie has been emphasising throughout that there is enough information on Andrew during his time representing the UK as Trade Envoy to convict him of alleged fraud and corruption offences and that he has a whole file of papers that he has offered to present to the National Crime Agency but no one is interested.

I don't know what information Lownie does or doesn't have, especially as the trade envoy files are currently sealed.
Having looked at the NCA website, it is not set up primarily for private individuals to report crime; it repeatedly refers you back to the police. If you do want to 'provide information on serious and organised crime' there is a contact form on the website, and a sentence at the bottom which states:
The NCA will review this information as appropriate and you may not receive a reply unless we require further information.

Things that are possible:
Lownie may have reported to NCA via the website, they may be looking at the information and may not have got back to him
Lownie may have reported to NCA via the website, they may not be looking at it and may not have got back to him
Lownie may not have reported to NCA, but thinks it's a useful comment to make in an interview as no-one will correct him
Lownie may have reported to police as advised, they may be looking at the information
There are many other possible permutations.

People who work in law (not Lownie) tend to be more cautious about blanket statements that there is enough information to convict of offences, especially when those potential offences might have occurred overseas.

Honestly given the Mets staggering lack of curiosity to check existing allegations of him wangling security officers for info on Virginia Guiffre I doubt they'll look too deeply into this

I wonder, if Queen Liz 2 was still alive, if any of this might have stayed suppressed for longer to spare her discomfort. That surprise 2nd visit from Trump might look like craven sycophancy but it might just have been a UK diplomatic payoff to US officials for having taken just enough time to delay info releases and the trundling of US justice past Brenda's Platinum jubilee. Though I realise it was under Biden, who seemed fairly ambivalent about the UK royal family

From Sky News

Government officials are drafting legislation to strip Lord Mandelson of his peerage, the prime minister's official spokesperson has said.
The spokesperson says the government is prepared to legislate to kick Mandelson out of the House of Lords if needed.
Yesterday, the government said Mandelson should no longer be a member of the Lords and should no longer use his peerage - but that doing so would require an Act of Parliament.
The PM's spokesperson said Sir Keir Starmer had told his cabinet this morning that the government had to go further in the Lords, "including legislatively if necessary".

Presumably any legislation passed would also allow the final removal of the 'DUke of York' title.

Honestly given the Mets staggering lack of curiosity to check existing allegations of him wangling security officers for info on Virginia Guiffre I doubt they'll look too deeply into this

@Lalgarh I had assumed they found nothing because the security officer had rightly ignored the request