AIBU to think the King’s speech was completely irrelevant to most of us

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I know he’s head of the church but he’s also head of the country in general and religion is not a top priority for the vast majority of the people he supposedly represents. If the RF want to stay relevant it’s about time they used their positions for something more useful than spouting a bunch of fairy stories that cause many of the world’s biggest problems.

It's just stating a set of facts. Facts cannot be nasty or nice.

Paying no IHT on the late Queen's estate worth billions nicely fits the definition of an industrial strength benefits scrounger don't you think? Even if legally it's within the law because of a historical loophole, morally it's repugnant.

There is also a bit of a return or start to Church by younger British people who are recognising the traditions of the country and what some of those involve.

How many African immigrants are there? Is the number huge ? First I've ever heard of this.

A fact on someone's ability to walk? Or an opinion ? Even maybe an ableist or ageist opinion?

Sorry I read this wrong . The gif is about me

This made me laugh🤣🤣🤣

He's the head of the Church of England it's Christmas. What did you expect? But I agree that much of what he said was irrelevant to the majority of people in the UK. I liked the Ukrainian choir at the end.

I'm interested to hear what people think he SHOULD have included which would have made it relevant to people in Britain and also what he DID include that wasn't?

He mentioned some engagements undertaken, reference to WW2, Bondi beach, neighbourliness and community to just mention a few.

I was reading about the principles of Christianity last night as I want to get back in touch with it. Christianity teaches good manners and responsibility. I also have fond memories of church crafts and listening to the band.
I would welcome hearing why Christianity is a bad thing.

@Woollyguru
It's just stating a set of facts. Facts cannot be nasty or nice.
Paying no IHT on the late Queen's estate worth billions nicely fits the definition of an industrial strength benefits scrounger don't you think? Even if legally it's within the law because of a historical loophole, morally it's repugnant.
So anything 'legally within the law' that you disagree with is morally repugnant? No, it's not factual it's your opinion and I won't sink to your level by going in to any more detail about benefit scroungers.

It's not.
There's a resurgence among the young, especially the young men in their teens and 20s.
There was an article in the Times last summer among other national papers.
I've spoken to a number of people, who have seen this in their own church. Even my parents' church, for whom 70yos are the youngsters, has had teen boys coming in just wanting to know about Christianity - and returning for services and asking for more.

"Given his life?" Please. He can just...stop. Whenever he wants. It's all a made up nonsense. He can abdicate. Kate didn't have to marry William. They have all weighed up their options and they have decided that the fancy houses and clothes (which is the least of it) actually do make up for the "crap" as you put it. It's not enough for them to toddle into the sunset with a few million. They want the billions, thank you very much.

I’d just like to see him and his family walking the walk not just talking the talk.

He talked about learning lessons from the past which the RF don’t seem to have done in many things. He talked about division but applies it to a war so long ago that although it is important, it doesn’t feel that relevant to most people, certainly not young people who are struggling with different sorts of division in their life. All the talk of pilgrimage and Christianity doesn’t feel relevant to a country full of people where most aren’t practising Christian’s. He obviously has to mention Christianity a lot as he is head of the church and wants it to be relevant but it simply isn’t for a lot of people. He talked about getting to know and neighbours and community when his son has turfed out a load of people from their homes, they could have been his neighbours. They don’t have neighbours in their large houses with lots of land, they don’t get to know anyone really unless they’re of their class. He talks about diversity and right and wrong, yet said nothing when Meghan was facing racism from newspapers and that awful Jeremy Clarkson, In fact Camilla attends events with Piers Morgan and Clarkson when they are 2 of the most prolific Meghan haters. A deep respect for all life he said was important, did Andrew or any of them have a deep respect for the girls that Andrew and pals was abusing and raping or did they stay quiet? He said we could all make the future more hopeful with the values he talked of, but when he and his family aren’t living by them, it feels hopeless. Just more rich powerful people doing exactly what they like, getting away with it whilst the rest of us worry about money, safety, our children etc. I could go on.

He and his whole family need to practice what they preach if they want to be relevant and have our respect. They don’t listen to public opinion, they never have until the shit hits the fan and people are fed up of that reactive approach because it shows they don’t care about good and what is right, they just care about their reputation.

I actually don’t dislike Charles, I think in many ways he has had a very sad life, but fuck me, he’s clueless about most peoples lives.

I've never understood the whole Queen's speech thing. The only time I felt it was ever vaguely relevant to the rest of us was during COVID, and even then probably still had family over and gave them a wing each to stay in 😆

They didn't say "anything I don't agree with is morally repugnant". They said, specifically, the choice not to pay inheritance tax worth billions. Surely even the most rabid royalist would have to acknowledge that it's a disgrace for the King of a country whose citizens are grappling with a COL crisis, cuts to services, a huge decline in standards of living etc to decline to pay the same tax bills that everyone else is subject to, and which could have positively impacted the lives of everyone in the UK? You're flouncing and attacking PP instead of actually engaging with a genuine point because you can't defend it and it doesn't fit nicely with your worldview.

That’s a really thoughtful place to be. Christianity does encourage kindness and responsibility, but at its heart it’s not about being good enough.

The centre of the Christian faith is grace — that we’re loved by God before we’ve got ourselves sorted. Jesus didn’t come to reward the “good”, but to restore broken people and offer forgiveness and new life. Good living grows out of that (and is an ongoing effort!), not the other way round.

If you ever wanted a relaxed way to explore this, Alpha or Christianity Explored are genuinely low-pressure — lots of space for questions, no expectations, and very welcoming to people who are curious or coming back after a long time.

Faith in the Bible is always an invitation, never something forced.

If you’re open to it, exploring Christianity again doesn’t have to mean swallowing everything whole. Jesus often simply said, “Come and see.” There’s room for questions, doubt, and taking things slowly.

People should start another thread to talk about the relevance or otherwise of the monarchy.

This thread is about the relevance of the king's speech.

You can suggest this but people can and will continue to talk about what they want to, like you have, You are not the thread police or mumsnet monitor. 😅

Christianity isn’t a bad thing per se. Individuals should of course be free to believe and worship as they see fit. It’s when it-or any other religion- becomes part of the governance of a country, and impacts on the lives of people regardless of their beliefs that it becomes a problem.

Conversation evolves.

I'm sorry you thought I was flouncing, I really wasn't. I do think it was a very mean comment about an elderly man though. Different opinions.

As I meet people of different faiths, I find it enormously encouraging to hear how much we have in common; a shared longing for peace and a deep respect for all life. If we can find time in our journey through life to think on these virtues we can all make the future more hopeful.

How would you say it has?

Came from a time we had the Empire and radio was a way to talk to the Empire. No one in India or Rhodesia cared except the white colonials and military personnel but the UK could hear his/her majesty speak to them. A different time.

l thought he spoke beautifully and really enjoyed his speech .

It's not mean to state facts. Calling him "an elderly man" is an obvious attempt to cast him in a vulnerable light, when he is anything but. You still aren't willing to address the very valid point that PP made, which is fine but please stop attacking them, for instance calling them mean, when in reality they are nothing of the sort and you just can't/won't defend the actions of the RF.