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As ever and PR disasters continued

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AtIusvue · 07/12/2025 21:35

So Meghan lost her fathers number but is ringing round hospitals and will send a handwritten note, as per Sussex sources speaking through the Sun, the Telegraph and the Times.

I mean I have no idea, how it works with PR for very famous people, but surely there are scenarios they prep for?

Her dad is in his 80s, severely obese and has suffered ill health for years. You would think, there would be protocol in what to do should the worst happen.

That would include having up to date contact info. This isn’t something Meg would need to have/get involved with if she’s estranged, but surely ‘The Office of the DDOS’ would. Then engage in their set plan- whether that’s a public statement that this is a private affair or that contact has been made through the proper channels.

Whatever this is, it isn’t professional-it’s complete chaos.

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bluegreygreen · 30/12/2025 12:51

I think Harry is waiting for Charles to pop his clogs before he gets the big guns out

What big guns?

bluegreygreen · 30/12/2025 12:53

I really hope they don't split up and that they are happy, but they're their own worst enemy and just make things so much harder for themselves.

Yes, that's where I am too - for their sake and the sake of their children, I wish they could take some time to be quiet and sort themselves out. I'm just not convinced it will happen.

IcedPurple · 30/12/2025 12:57

TawnyVowel · 30/12/2025 12:34

I think Harry is waiting for Charles to pop his clogs before he gets the big guns out.

The fact he even called his own book Spare shows that it utterly consumes his mind and his life. The fact they’ve so royally mucked up everything they have done outside the RF will just make his vengeance worse. Had they forged their own path effectively, no one would compare and everyone would be happy for them. Tbh I forget they are even brothers now.

Personally I think it’s quite fitting that the only publicist they’ve ended up with sounds like an angry sweary man who sits behind a keyboard firing out angry sweary messages.

Tbh I forget they are even brothers now.

Anyone under the age of 15 or so - insofar as they follow the royals at all - will be at best dimly aware that Charles has 2 sons and William has a brother. Harry really is entirely irrelevant to royal life now. Which would be fine if it were what he wanted, but I don't believe for a second that it is.

Lunde · 30/12/2025 13:00

AutumnCrown · 30/12/2025 06:37

I think an emerging and intractable problem for both Harry and Meghan is that they are just so bloody boring, droning on about compassion and impact and learnings and secoority and other tedious drivel.

We’ve heard it all before, so very many times, and god don’t they just love the sound of their own voices.

There would have to be some real juice to an interview now for most people to want to listen - I’m talking weapons-grade tale-telling of inappropriate behaviour type stuff - and then they’d be regarded as just another quasi-royal freak show, à la Andrew M-W. (They’re already sailing close to the wind.)

And I can’t see Invictus working out in Birmingham, not with the Israeli IDF involved (let alone that team’s reported Russian-Israeli oligarch funder). I suppose at least shitshows are vaguely interesting.

Who funds the Israeli Invictus team?

Zippedydodah · 30/12/2025 13:01

Mylovelygreendress · 30/12/2025 09:40

I think H and M were swept along with the “ success” of their Netflix series and assumed they would be able to continue spilling Royal titbits . I don’t think it occurred to H that they would be so firmly cut off therefore no ongoing grievances to air .
I have no idea whether or not he is still close to Eugenie but I am sure she ( and Beatrice) will want to stay on the right side of William.

I suspect that William will need Beatrice and Eugenie to help out once he comes to the throne, so he has to keep them on board somehow.
Apart from Princess Anne who else will there be around to help? I don’t imagine Edward’s children will suddenly be around and there aren’t any others.

Zippedydodah · 30/12/2025 13:02

hepsitemiz · 30/12/2025 11:27

So Liam Maguire becomes their lead publicist now?

Fascinating chap.

In an article written in September 2015 headlined 'the flack who became a hack', Mr Maguire said he became a freelance journalist because he got tired of being asked to 'eat the client's cp with a smile'. So far so charming...

He said he had been 'suckling from the bullst boob for nearly a decade', describing himself as a 'peddler of puff' having 'hawked cp written by committees destined to be read by nobody'.

Is this the kind of tone H&M are really aiming for?

Before working for H, he was at Bell Pottinger, a now-defunct company which collapsed in 2017 after having run a 'racially divisive' campaign in South Africa.

Is this the kind of profile H&M want?

Edited

Sounds as if he’ll fit in very well!

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 30/12/2025 13:03

They need to sit down with a big piece of paper and a marker pen and make a list of Things That Matter Most (family happiness, security, being photographed wearing unironed clothes whilst grabbing hold of people etc). Then they need a column How To Achieve What Matters Most. Then they need to get a calculator out and do their sums to work out What Can We Afford? Then, next steps....if What Matters Most is being a happy, private little family unit, then sell the house and buy a smaller one and retreat from public life. But I am pretty sure that at least one quarter of that family unit wouldn't be happy with that, and there's the rub.

IcedPurple · 30/12/2025 13:11

Zippedydodah · 30/12/2025 13:01

I suspect that William will need Beatrice and Eugenie to help out once he comes to the throne, so he has to keep them on board somehow.
Apart from Princess Anne who else will there be around to help? I don’t imagine Edward’s children will suddenly be around and there aren’t any others.

We're going a bit off topic, but all the signs are that William intends cutting back on the 'meet 'n' greet' type of royal engagement. So there would be nothing really for Beatrice and Eugenie to 'help' with. Besdies, William supposedly has never been close to them and they'll always have the lingering association with Andrew.

I agree that things will be indeed 'slim' by the time William is King, but B & E are his cousins and the times when people turned up for an event because the monarch's cousin was cutting a ribbon are long gone.

Jaffyyy · 30/12/2025 13:22

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 30/12/2025 13:03

They need to sit down with a big piece of paper and a marker pen and make a list of Things That Matter Most (family happiness, security, being photographed wearing unironed clothes whilst grabbing hold of people etc). Then they need a column How To Achieve What Matters Most. Then they need to get a calculator out and do their sums to work out What Can We Afford? Then, next steps....if What Matters Most is being a happy, private little family unit, then sell the house and buy a smaller one and retreat from public life. But I am pretty sure that at least one quarter of that family unit wouldn't be happy with that, and there's the rub.

Selling the house will be her deepest shame. That was always her only goal to be in Montshitshow with OW - who is not her ‘friend’ as she thinks but sees MM as another commercial investment to keep warm for first dibs on the ‘divorce interview’ .

TawnyVowel · 30/12/2025 13:25

I mean… I think H will go all out on trying to take down the monarchy after Charles dies.

If I can’t have it nor can you.

He really is that childish.

My2cents1975 · 30/12/2025 13:56

hepsitemiz · 30/12/2025 11:27

So Liam Maguire becomes their lead publicist now?

Fascinating chap.

In an article written in September 2015 headlined 'the flack who became a hack', Mr Maguire said he became a freelance journalist because he got tired of being asked to 'eat the client's cp with a smile'. So far so charming...

He said he had been 'suckling from the bullst boob for nearly a decade', describing himself as a 'peddler of puff' having 'hawked cp written by committees destined to be read by nobody'.

Is this the kind of tone H&M are really aiming for?

Before working for H, he was at Bell Pottinger, a now-defunct company which collapsed in 2017 after having run a 'racially divisive' campaign in South Africa.

Is this the kind of profile H&M want?

Edited

The Bell-Pottinger link is particularly disturbing as this firm seriously damaged race-relations in a fragile South Africa. The extent to which Liam was involved in this will come out over time as the spotlight on support garments invariably grows.

From the article:
In 2015, South Africans staged large protests against Zuma’s Administration, calling it inept and corrupt. They also accused the Guptas, who were born in India, of running a “shadow government” that swung procurement decisions their way and appointed government ministers aligned with their interests.

Later on the article describes the request:
Gupta requested Bell Pottinger’s help in launching a P.R. campaign to highlight economic inequality in South Africa. The goal was to persuade South Africans of color that they were far poorer than they should be, mainly because large white-owned corporations had outsized power.

Further down:
Bell Pottinger’s work in South Africa included the covert dissemination of articles, cartoons, blog posts, and tweets implying that the Guptas’ opponents were upholding a racist system. As the brothers’ influence over Zuma’s government fell under increasing scrutiny, Bell Pottinger’s tactics were exposed.

The Reputation-Laundering Firm That Ruined Its Own Reputation | The New Yorker

The tactics are strikingly familiar. And it is interesting that this board chose to delete comments that highlighted these tactics.

The Reputation-Laundering Firm That Ruined Its Own Reputation

A P.R. company that worked with dictators and oligarchs deliberately inflamed racial tensions in South Africa—and destroyed itself in the process.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/06/25/the-reputation-laundering-firm-that-ruined-its-own-reputation

JSMill · 30/12/2025 14:20

Crikey H and M are in a right mess. I can’t imagine where they will go from here. I guess H will cling onto Invictus with an even tighter grip now because that’s the only successful thing he’s associated with. What a pair of fools they are. Of course they are never responsible for their own actions.

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/12/2025 14:40

GreyPlayer · 30/12/2025 14:33

Meghan Markle’s Breakout Year: From With Love, Meghan to As Ever.

A Defining Year for Meghan

I'm not that i she the year was crowned with "visibility, output and success". Meghan was certainly visible and she did things but, of all the many and varied things she threw at the wall, only As Ever seems to have stuck beyond 2025. Maybe she could use that to launch herself on a more achievable scale, that of a minor celebrity influencer rather than the grand philanthropist, expert on everything that she is currently aiming for?

I do feel Meghan could achieve modest success because she works hard and keeps trying, but she needs to stick with something, accept she isn't going to make billions, and listen to advice. As Ever is the best bet at this point.

AutumnCrown · 30/12/2025 14:41

Lunde · 30/12/2025 13:00

Who funds the Israeli Invictus team?

The IDF and the Israel Government support it; but the main monies for the successful entry to Invictus in 2022 reportedly originate with the controversial Russian-Israeli businessman Mikhail Fridman via a ‘foundation’.

It started being reported on a while ago:

www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-war-wounded-said-set-to-participate-in-prince-harrys-invictus-games/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164035/amp/Prince-Harry-faces-backlash-plans-invite-injured-Israeli-soldiers-Invictus-Games.html

It might not have mattered elsewhere … but it will in Birmingham in the UK. Could be messy.

Prince Harry criticised over plans to invite Israel to Invictus Games

Israel's inclusion was agreed in principle in London this month, The Mail on Sunday reports. An Arab journalist said it was like a British Royal provoking another community.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164035/amp/Prince-Harry-faces-backlash-plans-invite-injured-Israeli-soldiers-Invictus-Games.html

IcedPurple · 30/12/2025 14:51

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/12/2025 14:40

I'm not that i she the year was crowned with "visibility, output and success". Meghan was certainly visible and she did things but, of all the many and varied things she threw at the wall, only As Ever seems to have stuck beyond 2025. Maybe she could use that to launch herself on a more achievable scale, that of a minor celebrity influencer rather than the grand philanthropist, expert on everything that she is currently aiming for?

I do feel Meghan could achieve modest success because she works hard and keeps trying, but she needs to stick with something, accept she isn't going to make billions, and listen to advice. As Ever is the best bet at this point.

I don't think she works hard at all.

She produced one measly series for Spotify and another for Lemonada. There are podcasters out there putting out episodes once or twice a week, on top of their other work. She did very little for NF either. Yes, I know Harry is worse but I don't think that's a valid comparison.

I also don't see 'As Ever' being a viable source of income going forward. It offers nothing unique or interesting, with its only selling point being the Duchess herself. That may be enough for her adoring fans, but they are few and far between, nowhere near enough to sustain a profitable business. I could see her losing interest in it very soon, just as she has with everything else.

AutumnCrown · 30/12/2025 14:51

GreyPlayer · 30/12/2025 14:33

Meghan Markle’s Breakout Year: From With Love, Meghan to As Ever.

A Defining Year for Meghan

the show positioned Meghan as both a student and a teacher within the lifestyle space

🤮

I mean, dear god above. I couldn’t get to the end of that. So tediously dishonest.

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/12/2025 14:54

AutumnCrown · 30/12/2025 14:51

the show positioned Meghan as both a student and a teacher within the lifestyle space

🤮

I mean, dear god above. I couldn’t get to the end of that. So tediously dishonest.

Yeah that was the sort of article that seems to have been translated from English into another language and then back again.

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/12/2025 14:55

IcedPurple · 30/12/2025 14:51

I don't think she works hard at all.

She produced one measly series for Spotify and another for Lemonada. There are podcasters out there putting out episodes once or twice a week, on top of their other work. She did very little for NF either. Yes, I know Harry is worse but I don't think that's a valid comparison.

I also don't see 'As Ever' being a viable source of income going forward. It offers nothing unique or interesting, with its only selling point being the Duchess herself. That may be enough for her adoring fans, but they are few and far between, nowhere near enough to sustain a profitable business. I could see her losing interest in it very soon, just as she has with everything else.

It could be a modest income but she needs to stop trying to make billions from derivative ideas. I think she probably does spend a lot of time in things, mostly over thinking them.

IcedPurple · 30/12/2025 14:57

MrsLeonFarrell · 30/12/2025 14:55

It could be a modest income but she needs to stop trying to make billions from derivative ideas. I think she probably does spend a lot of time in things, mostly over thinking them.

I reckon it would be a very modest income indeed. What exactly is the target market for white label flower sprinkles that you have to order online?

I also think 'overthink' is the opposite of what she does. Everything she puts out is half baked and completely lacking in any attention to detail. Take the 'American Riviera Orchard' fiasco as a prime example. Or for an even more spectacular example of her failure to think things through, take Mexit.

Lunde · 30/12/2025 14:58

AutumnCrown · 30/12/2025 14:41

The IDF and the Israel Government support it; but the main monies for the successful entry to Invictus in 2022 reportedly originate with the controversial Russian-Israeli businessman Mikhail Fridman via a ‘foundation’.

It started being reported on a while ago:

www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-war-wounded-said-set-to-participate-in-prince-harrys-invictus-games/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164035/amp/Prince-Harry-faces-backlash-plans-invite-injured-Israeli-soldiers-Invictus-Games.html

It might not have mattered elsewhere … but it will in Birmingham in the UK. Could be messy.

Russian and/or Israeli contacts seem to come up a lot with Harry and Meghan

The "finding freedom" house that they used in Canada was eventually found to be owned by Yuri Milner another Russian-Israeli, billionaire from the tech sector and the house was owned through a series of opaque offshore trusts/foundations
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-island-mansion-harry-meghan-yuri-milner-pandora-1.6419328

Then the previous owner of the house in Montecito was the dubious Russian businessman/money launderer Sergey Grishin who died in unclear circumstances in Moscow.
https://hk.news.yahoo.com/sergey-grishin-scarface-oligarch-sold-070000012.html

I wonder if the move to "Philanthropies" means they can accept donations from dubious sources via a third party?

Sergey Grishin, ‘Scarface Oligarch’ who sold Prince Harry and Meghan Markle their Montecito house – obituary

Sergey Grishin, who has died in Moscow aged 56, was the Russian oligarch who in 2020 sold the Duke and Duchess of Sussex their nine-bedroom, 16-bathroom mansion in the exclusive Montecito neighbourhood of Santa Barbara, California; it is not known whet...

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/sergey-grishin-scarface-oligarch-sold-070000012.html

bluegreygreen · 30/12/2025 14:59

Unsurprisingly, there are some inaccuracies in that 'themeghanedit' link.

The show was renewed shortly after.
We know that all the episodes of With Love, Meghan were filmed at the same time, so the show was not 'renewed'.

When With Love, Meghan premiered, it did so to immediate attention and fanfare from critics and fans alike.
I must have missed the fanfare from critics.

Meghan also continued her advocacy work through Archewell Philanthropies
As Archewell Philanthropies has only come into existence in the last week, that's not quite correct either.

jeffgoldblum · 30/12/2025 15:03

AutumnCrown · 30/12/2025 14:51

the show positioned Meghan as both a student and a teacher within the lifestyle space

🤮

I mean, dear god above. I couldn’t get to the end of that. So tediously dishonest.

When the truth fails, the only fallback is lies and dishonesty!

TawnyVowel · 30/12/2025 15:13

She never learns.

We all know she’s an utter fraud.

No wonder the publicists have all gone after yet another round of utter BS from the faux royal… who in reality has zero talents or skills of significance.

Phase42 · 30/12/2025 15:18

It's often said that MM works hard and she has said that she pores over the details of things but I don't think that is true at all. It might be 'her truth' but it is not objectively true.

Sell the house and live a simple life well.

For a couple who have been together almost ten years they have had to go through a lot of very stressful stuff. Life shouldn't be that hard.

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