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The royal family

As ever and PR disasters continued

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AtIusvue · 07/12/2025 21:35

So Meghan lost her fathers number but is ringing round hospitals and will send a handwritten note, as per Sussex sources speaking through the Sun, the Telegraph and the Times.

I mean I have no idea, how it works with PR for very famous people, but surely there are scenarios they prep for?

Her dad is in his 80s, severely obese and has suffered ill health for years. You would think, there would be protocol in what to do should the worst happen.

That would include having up to date contact info. This isn’t something Meg would need to have/get involved with if she’s estranged, but surely ‘The Office of the DDOS’ would. Then engage in their set plan- whether that’s a public statement that this is a private affair or that contact has been made through the proper channels.

Whatever this is, it isn’t professional-it’s complete chaos.

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AtIusvue · 27/12/2025 18:42

This was part of Meredith announcement when she first joined in March 2025

‘Maines said she was “honored to partner” with the couple and excited to help tell their story “as entrepreneurs, builders and philanthropists while overseeing all communications for the couple and their ventures.”’

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RecoIIectionsMayVary · 27/12/2025 18:45

@RedTagAlan is it illegal to download a VPN? But this is where I miss the mid thread name changes, I have plenty of Jam related ones.

No one is really concentrating and no one cares anymore

This is what happens when you become a soap opera instead of a classic, you are only relevant in the moment.

unless she made the contents really incendiary I suppose

@Puzzledandpissedoff but this is where Andrew is relevant - I can't see anything being more incendiary and yet the RF keep going.

AtIusvue · 27/12/2025 18:45

Why they are trying to make out she was just doing some work for Archewell ….and that the project is at an end, is utter nonsense.

She was in charge of all communications.

‘According to her LinkedIn, Ms Maines began working for the couple in March 2025.
She wrote that as CCO, she oversees 'all external communications' for Harry and Meghan.
This included Meghan's lifestyle brand As Ever, launched in April this year; their media production company, Archewell Productions; and their joint charity, Archewell Philanthropies.’

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AtIusvue · 27/12/2025 18:47

So Liam is now in charge of everything?

Inc As ever? Archewell productions? Archewell Philanthropies? And their public image?

I dont think so. He’s in the UK.

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lickingfingertastingfood · 27/12/2025 18:55

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 27/12/2025 18:45

@RedTagAlan is it illegal to download a VPN? But this is where I miss the mid thread name changes, I have plenty of Jam related ones.

No one is really concentrating and no one cares anymore

This is what happens when you become a soap opera instead of a classic, you are only relevant in the moment.

unless she made the contents really incendiary I suppose

@Puzzledandpissedoff but this is where Andrew is relevant - I can't see anything being more incendiary and yet the RF keep going.

What? That Meghan and Andrew had had a thang going on in ye olde dates? Now then ... 😂 🔥

BasiliskStare · 27/12/2025 19:04

Well my tuppence worth is M&H don't need anything more than a decent PA / PR person for what they do. I think they like having "an office" as H was used to . As to why anyone would take the job being their Global head of communications etc - who knows? Maybe a big up front pay check when they wanted to move jobs anyway - so they didn't need a long term job , Maybe they thought H&M couldn't be "as bad as all that" so thought they could cope with it , maybe they were beguiled into the job and were sympathetic to H&M. I just don't know , but the turnover of staff does seem to be higher than one might expect . I Think it was GivemeSpanitoka (sp?) or similar who was the PR expert - it would be interesting to hear from her. But I expect she has a proper job to do - unlike H&M's various factotums . 😂

IcedPurple · 27/12/2025 20:05

BasiliskStare · 27/12/2025 19:04

Well my tuppence worth is M&H don't need anything more than a decent PA / PR person for what they do. I think they like having "an office" as H was used to . As to why anyone would take the job being their Global head of communications etc - who knows? Maybe a big up front pay check when they wanted to move jobs anyway - so they didn't need a long term job , Maybe they thought H&M couldn't be "as bad as all that" so thought they could cope with it , maybe they were beguiled into the job and were sympathetic to H&M. I just don't know , but the turnover of staff does seem to be higher than one might expect . I Think it was GivemeSpanitoka (sp?) or similar who was the PR expert - it would be interesting to hear from her. But I expect she has a proper job to do - unlike H&M's various factotums . 😂

I think they like having "an office" as H was used to

The thing is, Harry never really had his own 'office'. He was always part of the system of more senior royals, first Clarence House and later Kensington Palace. After his marriage, he and Meghan set up that silly 'Sussex Royal' thing, but that wasn't an official royal household.

That move was an obvious sign that they considered themselves too important to be subsumed into another royal household, even though that's always the case for the royals not in the direct line. This 'Archewell' and 'Office of the Duke and Duchess' nonsense is even more absurd and ridiculous. But it seems now they simply can't afford to continue with the pretence that they are Very Important People with a staff worthy of a Head of State.

ShamedBySiri · 27/12/2025 20:15

Mylovelygreendress · 27/12/2025 12:09

I saw that article but can’t remember where . I am just curious to know what else there is to say about Diana especially as Harry said he didn’t have many memories of her .

I assume any Diana “documentary” would need content/quotes from “friends”/relatives/others who worked with her etc.
I wonder how many would want to collaborate with H&M given it would clearly upset William and undoubtedly result in being frozen out of any relationship with him.
I'm not sure even Paul Burrell would jump on that ship unless the price was irresistible Hasn’t he publicly criticised them? Perhaps Harry would draw the line at PB anyway.

elessar · 27/12/2025 23:09

This article from Chris Ship (referenced up thread) gives a little bit more insight into the various sides of the story.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-27/harry-and-meghan-lose-yet-another-senior-member-of-staff-as-comms-officer-quits

What I find interesting is that the accusations against Meredith are that her background wasn’t suitable - which makes no sense considering H&M hired her in the first place - and that she was responsible for things like the BBC interview Harry did after losing his court case.

It’s fascinating the way that all the blame is placed on Meredith for “exposing” Harry and deepening the rift with the king, and that Harry has no responsibility apparently for the words that came out of his own mouth.

I also don’t know what it means that Liam will ‘focus on Harry and Meghan’s global status’, that isn’t a PR angle?

”But she did authorise the television interview Prince Harry did in reaction to his court case defeat to the Home Office about his security.
The interview was widely criticised and deepened the rift between Harry and his father, particularly after Harry spoke about King Charles’ cancer diagnosis.
Maines’ deputy, Liam Maguire, who is based in the UK and was predominantly focused on Prince Harry’s work, has been asked to step up as Chief Communications Officer for both the Duke and Duchess.
He is said to favour a different approach which will focus on Harry and Meghan’s global status and prevent them being exposed in the way Harry was after his court case loss.”

BemusedAmerican · 28/12/2025 01:57

The Archangel Gabriel could be their PR person and they still wouldn't listen to him. I suspect she prepped them and then they disregarded everything when they went live.

BemusedAmerican · 28/12/2025 02:01

RedTagAlan · 27/12/2025 15:15

Re the Jam spread.

When I was a kid way back in the day, my granny made jam. Proper stuff. But when that ran out, proper jam was actually a bit of a luxury at times, and we used to get "raspberry Jelly" from the co-op, cos it was cheaper.

Is raspberry jelly still a thing ?

Cos if it is, why is it a spread, and not a jelly ?

Or does it not make the grade to be called raspberry jelly ?

Or is jam that is not jammy enough to be called jam called preserve now ?

So many questions about Jam/Jelly/ Preserve/ Spread. I can see I need to do some research on what the differences are. This one below looks like jam, but it's called a preserve.

:-)

This should answer all your US food labeling questions:

https://www.smuckers.com/articles/difference-between-jam-and-jelly

What Is the Difference Between Jam and Jelly? | Smucker's®

Learn what makes a fruit spread jam vs. jelly, preserves, marmalade or fruit butter.

https://www.smuckers.com/articles/difference-between-jam-and-jelly

BemusedAmerican · 28/12/2025 02:05

Jaffyyy · 27/12/2025 18:02

Maybe that poster was Meredith!!!

I wondered that too. I kept telling her that the strategy would not work.

RedTagAlan · 28/12/2025 05:06

elessar · 27/12/2025 23:09

This article from Chris Ship (referenced up thread) gives a little bit more insight into the various sides of the story.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-27/harry-and-meghan-lose-yet-another-senior-member-of-staff-as-comms-officer-quits

What I find interesting is that the accusations against Meredith are that her background wasn’t suitable - which makes no sense considering H&M hired her in the first place - and that she was responsible for things like the BBC interview Harry did after losing his court case.

It’s fascinating the way that all the blame is placed on Meredith for “exposing” Harry and deepening the rift with the king, and that Harry has no responsibility apparently for the words that came out of his own mouth.

I also don’t know what it means that Liam will ‘focus on Harry and Meghan’s global status’, that isn’t a PR angle?

”But she did authorise the television interview Prince Harry did in reaction to his court case defeat to the Home Office about his security.
The interview was widely criticised and deepened the rift between Harry and his father, particularly after Harry spoke about King Charles’ cancer diagnosis.
Maines’ deputy, Liam Maguire, who is based in the UK and was predominantly focused on Prince Harry’s work, has been asked to step up as Chief Communications Officer for both the Duke and Duchess.
He is said to favour a different approach which will focus on Harry and Meghan’s global status and prevent them being exposed in the way Harry was after his court case loss.”

This line from that article stands out to me:

"But sources close to the former Communications Chief pointed to her past experience with the Hulu streaming platform, owned by Disney, and denied her professional background was not suited to Harry and Meghan’s needs."

Really, how difficult could it be ? I reckon any of the posters on this thread could do a better job than H&M do themselves.

" Hello People magazine. can you do us a fluff piece ? "

"Harry, do not say this"

" Meghan, do not take that dress, it does not belong to you"

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MrsLeonFarrell · 28/12/2025 08:12

elessar · 27/12/2025 23:09

This article from Chris Ship (referenced up thread) gives a little bit more insight into the various sides of the story.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-12-27/harry-and-meghan-lose-yet-another-senior-member-of-staff-as-comms-officer-quits

What I find interesting is that the accusations against Meredith are that her background wasn’t suitable - which makes no sense considering H&M hired her in the first place - and that she was responsible for things like the BBC interview Harry did after losing his court case.

It’s fascinating the way that all the blame is placed on Meredith for “exposing” Harry and deepening the rift with the king, and that Harry has no responsibility apparently for the words that came out of his own mouth.

I also don’t know what it means that Liam will ‘focus on Harry and Meghan’s global status’, that isn’t a PR angle?

”But she did authorise the television interview Prince Harry did in reaction to his court case defeat to the Home Office about his security.
The interview was widely criticised and deepened the rift between Harry and his father, particularly after Harry spoke about King Charles’ cancer diagnosis.
Maines’ deputy, Liam Maguire, who is based in the UK and was predominantly focused on Prince Harry’s work, has been asked to step up as Chief Communications Officer for both the Duke and Duchess.
He is said to favour a different approach which will focus on Harry and Meghan’s global status and prevent them being exposed in the way Harry was after his court case loss.”

"He is said to favour a different approach which will focus on Harry and Meghan’s global status and prevent them being exposed in the way Harry was after his court case loss."

So Meredith is being blamed for the words Harry chose to say. Short of sitting next to him and putting her hands over his mouth what was she supposed to do? When is that manchild going to take responsibility for his own words and actions and the consequences? Harry exposed himself.

And how does focusing on their mythical global status prevent them being exposed? If they have global status surely that just means that the world hears the idiotic things he says, rather than just the UK?

And i would question whether they have global status. Global recognition, assuming by global you mean a small proportion of people in several countries, but they don't have status because they don't have power.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 28/12/2025 08:53

BemusedAmerican · 28/12/2025 02:05

I wondered that too. I kept telling her that the strategy would not work.

Who? @GiveMeSpanakopita ?

They have been around longer than Meredith has been linked with H&M.

I often wonder where posters go, regularly post and then suddenly nothing. Hope all is ok with them

Superhansrantowindsor · 28/12/2025 08:55

The problem as I see it is you have a couple made up someone who is really lacking in intelligence and the other lacking in any modesty. Combined together it just doesn’t work.

Singingseals · 28/12/2025 09:24

Yes I often wonder about what happened to @givemespanakopita , her posts were so interesting. I hope all is ok.

DoleWhipDiva · 28/12/2025 09:34

You can be the best PR/Comms professional in the world but if your clients don't listen to you then PR fails will continue and ultimately reflect poorly on you - so better to move on and work for people/companies who listen to your advice.

Serenster · 28/12/2025 09:52

[Duh! Posted this on the wrong thread]

The DM has gone through what happened next to some of Meghan and Harry’s past PR/Communications appointments (meaning, they have looked at their Linked In profiles!).It makes for interesting reading.
Two - Ashley Hansen and Kyle Boulia - are now working for the same business consulting firn, Forward Gobal, Interesting, because when Ashley left, a big thing was made about how she was setting up her own PR company, to be called Three Gate Strategies. It was specifically announced that “Hansen will continue oversight of the international team advising the Duke and Duchess’ philanthropic work and creative projects through their banner Archewell. She’ll also work closely with the Duchess on new business ventures”. That clearly didn’t work out though, as her profile on Forward Gobal’s website says: “Ashley Momtaheni Hansen is the Managing Partner of Forward Global’s Los Angeles Office. Before joining Forward Global, she was the Founder and Principal of Three Gate Strategies, a boutique strategic communications firm”.
Two - Josh Kettler and Emily Robinson - don’t mention their time working for Sussexes at all on their Linked In profiles. Given their appointments were very public, that’s a…choice.

Thedom · 28/12/2025 10:46

I wonder how they manage when interviewing for their next jobs, do they just say I cannot discuss anything about why I left my previous job, or any of the details.

bluegreygreen · 28/12/2025 10:50

Or simply a sentence 'I was working for the Sussexes' and everyone in the room nods?

bluegreygreen · 28/12/2025 10:51

When is that manchild going to take responsibility for his own words and actions and the consequences? Harry exposed himself.

Maybe in his fifties? Not much hope for his forties so far.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 28/12/2025 11:56

This I can believe and sounds like Harry is just as bad.

Another source told me previously: 'When anything negative comes out, someone has to pay. It is a miserable and impossible job. Meghan will get disappointed by one thing and then ice someone out. She will never let you live it down or forget how you let her down and neither will Harry.'

elessar · 28/12/2025 11:57

@MrsLeonFarrell Neither of them will ever take accountability or responsibility for their own words and actions - ever. It is always somebody else’s fault.

The exact part Meredith herself played in their PR disasters this year is unknown - but I would be absolutely astounded if she had advised Harry to talk about his father’s health and speculate on the amount of time he might have left to live, or suggest that the British government and the RF were part of a plot to wish harm on him and his family.

Plus, it’s funny that they are going through publicists like other people have hot dinners, and yet the same embarrassing PR cock ups keep happening over and over again. It’s so abundantly clear that they are not victims of their own unpopularity and blunders but the architects, because they will not listen or take advice.

The Palace must feel so vindicated, after M&H slandered them on the global stage, claiming that they were being thrown to the wolves, and deliberately set up for negative PR - when everything that’s happened since just goes to prove how protected they were from the public seeing the real truth about how awful they both are as people, and that their publicity now they’re in full control of it, is far far worse.

It’s only a shame that H&M will never recognise this for themselves, as they’re so entrenched in their own delusion and victimhood that they can’t learn from their mistakes.

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