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As ever and PR disasters continued

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AtIusvue · 07/12/2025 21:35

So Meghan lost her fathers number but is ringing round hospitals and will send a handwritten note, as per Sussex sources speaking through the Sun, the Telegraph and the Times.

I mean I have no idea, how it works with PR for very famous people, but surely there are scenarios they prep for?

Her dad is in his 80s, severely obese and has suffered ill health for years. You would think, there would be protocol in what to do should the worst happen.

That would include having up to date contact info. This isn’t something Meg would need to have/get involved with if she’s estranged, but surely ‘The Office of the DDOS’ would. Then engage in their set plan- whether that’s a public statement that this is a private affair or that contact has been made through the proper channels.

Whatever this is, it isn’t professional-it’s complete chaos.

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RedTagAlan · 21/12/2025 07:08

ThePoshUns · 21/12/2025 06:39

Interesting @RedTagAlan

I got my currencies mixed up re the heritage railway and the Sussexes. GBP v USD and all that. The North York Moors railway is 4 or 5 times bigger than the Sussexes.

Converting the last known tax return for the Sussex thing, 3 million USD after admin, convert to GB, gives a smidgin over 2 million quid.

A quick google, and that is about the same as a single cancer charity bike ride by Sir Chris Hoy.

And when we think of the news we see about fundraisers in general, there are charities being run from a kitchen table bigger than the Sussex fund. Although I am not applying that to Sir Chris here of course.

I am just trying to put things into perspective in my own mind here. Perception and vague claims v reality.

Sir Chris Hoy ‘overwhelmed’ as fundraising cycle ride raises over £2m | STV News

Sir Chris Hoy ‘overwhelmed’ as fundraising cycle ride raises over £2m

The cash raised from his Tour De 4 event in Glasgow will go towards cancer charities.

https://news.stv.tv/world/sir-chris-hoy-overwhelmed-as-fundraising-cycle-ride-raises-over-2m

Thedom · 21/12/2025 07:24

Looks like Archewell Foundation is another failure in a long list. Staff being made redundant, financial issues, seems like the ‘name change ‘ may actually be a shuttering of Archewell F, rather than a rebrand or name change. It looks like it is not an easy process.

Closing a charitable foundation isn't easy; it's a formal, regulated process involving trustee decisions, settling all debts, distributing remaining assets to other charities, and filing specific forms with state and federal regulators (like the IRS in the U.S. or Charity Commission in the UK) to ensure all assets go to charitable purposes, often taking several months and requiring legal guidance. It's complex because it's about protecting public trust, not just closing a business”

Not2identifying · 21/12/2025 09:14

I do trust that the money Chris Hoy raised will go to cancer charities whereas Archewell, I'd guess that only 5% does, maybe a bit over but the vast majority goes to H&M. And even when they do make charitable contributions it's pretty obvious that they are burnishing their own images and reputations.

prelovedusername · 21/12/2025 09:20

Thedom · 21/12/2025 07:24

Looks like Archewell Foundation is another failure in a long list. Staff being made redundant, financial issues, seems like the ‘name change ‘ may actually be a shuttering of Archewell F, rather than a rebrand or name change. It looks like it is not an easy process.

Closing a charitable foundation isn't easy; it's a formal, regulated process involving trustee decisions, settling all debts, distributing remaining assets to other charities, and filing specific forms with state and federal regulators (like the IRS in the U.S. or Charity Commission in the UK) to ensure all assets go to charitable purposes, often taking several months and requiring legal guidance. It's complex because it's about protecting public trust, not just closing a business”

Charities in the UK (Including Scotland and NI although their legislation is different) are under much stricter scrutiny than in the US. Winding up a charity Is a formal process with legal obligations.

i suspect that the use of the word “Foundation” in the US defines it as a charity under their legislation whereas “Philanthropies” doesn’t. So this may be a way of avoiding what little US regulation and restrictions apply.

Lunde · 21/12/2025 10:28

RedTagAlan · 21/12/2025 04:15

Charity v Foundation v Philanthropy

I am not an expert on what words mean, I do have my own idea of what these words roughly mean, and what the differences are. And I stress, this is my perception.

Charity: The masses give. Collection tins on shop counters. Loads of small donations. Mixture of immediate help and long term. Mainly volunteers.

Foundation : Set up by wealthy donors in the first instance, and ongoing funding by wealthy people. No high street tin shakers, Instead they do black tie fundraisers or solicit rich individuals. Fund research grants etc, rather than direct action. Paid staff.

Philanthropy : Where a very rich individual with an awful lot of money gives it away to the above 2, among others. Paid staff, or pay other orgs to have pay staff.

After writing the above I did look them up in a dictionary, and while there is a lot of overlap, the above is not a million miles away.

So when the Sussexes change from a foundation to philanthropy , it might not technically run afoul of definitions, but in my mind, it is certainly stretching them.

And we are not talking massive money here. Their most recent tax returns show about 6 million raised ( from 1 unknown donor apparently), over half of that going to admin costs. No info I can see on what is being funded.

After admin, we are talking in the region of $3million. And I done a google for a comparison, that's about 1/3 of the North York Moors railway turnover.

So the Sussexes Philanthropy org, is smaller than a heritage railway.

I read on the internet - can't remember where - that the change of name might be because Archewell no longer fulfils US charity rules to be a 501-c. I don't know what fundraising they do these days but Archewell seems reliant on a couple of very wealthy but anonymous donors.

I haven't seen a financial report for 2024 - which seems a bit late. I am unsure of the accuracy of these sources but there are reports that Archewell donations collapsed in 2025 to just £1.5 million, although they spent £3.8 million - thereby creating a loss of £1.8. This resulted in staff being sacked and restructuring as a "philanthropies" organisation
https://www.geo.tv/latest/640673-prince-harry-meghan-markle-face-severe-crisis-after-major-announcement

Prince Harry, Meghan Markle face severe crisis after major announcement

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle suffered a serious loss after they made a big announcement about their charity, Archewell. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex's charitable organisation was not able to grab the attention of donors, as a...

https://www.geo.tv/latest/640673-prince-harry-meghan-markle-face-severe-crisis-after-major-announcement

AtIusvue · 21/12/2025 10:28

Thedom · 21/12/2025 07:24

Looks like Archewell Foundation is another failure in a long list. Staff being made redundant, financial issues, seems like the ‘name change ‘ may actually be a shuttering of Archewell F, rather than a rebrand or name change. It looks like it is not an easy process.

Closing a charitable foundation isn't easy; it's a formal, regulated process involving trustee decisions, settling all debts, distributing remaining assets to other charities, and filing specific forms with state and federal regulators (like the IRS in the U.S. or Charity Commission in the UK) to ensure all assets go to charitable purposes, often taking several months and requiring legal guidance. It's complex because it's about protecting public trust, not just closing a business”

Also, in the past- where they have got most of their donations from- there will be regulations about who you give money to.

A foundation has to have a board, legal framework, publish accounts etc

The legal structure is completely changing. Philanthropy doesn’t require any legal framework. It’s just rich peoole giving out money.

Therefore they will struggle to get certain donors who have to give to places that are clearly above board.

This will be why the are now selling dinners, because the charity that gave to them before I doubt will give over money when there’s zero accountability on Megs and Harry

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/12/2025 10:30

Thedom · 21/12/2025 07:24

Looks like Archewell Foundation is another failure in a long list. Staff being made redundant, financial issues, seems like the ‘name change ‘ may actually be a shuttering of Archewell F, rather than a rebrand or name change. It looks like it is not an easy process.

Closing a charitable foundation isn't easy; it's a formal, regulated process involving trustee decisions, settling all debts, distributing remaining assets to other charities, and filing specific forms with state and federal regulators (like the IRS in the U.S. or Charity Commission in the UK) to ensure all assets go to charitable purposes, often taking several months and requiring legal guidance. It's complex because it's about protecting public trust, not just closing a business”

Looking at the farce that was made of even registering a company name, I doubt H&M will be over-concerned with tthe complexities of closing down a foundation, @Thedom

I'm with others who suspect the real appeal of "Philanthropies" is the lesser oversight, and they can always blame others for anything that's not done properly

Lunde · 21/12/2025 10:37

RedTagAlan · 21/12/2025 07:08

I got my currencies mixed up re the heritage railway and the Sussexes. GBP v USD and all that. The North York Moors railway is 4 or 5 times bigger than the Sussexes.

Converting the last known tax return for the Sussex thing, 3 million USD after admin, convert to GB, gives a smidgin over 2 million quid.

A quick google, and that is about the same as a single cancer charity bike ride by Sir Chris Hoy.

And when we think of the news we see about fundraisers in general, there are charities being run from a kitchen table bigger than the Sussex fund. Although I am not applying that to Sir Chris here of course.

I am just trying to put things into perspective in my own mind here. Perception and vague claims v reality.

Sir Chris Hoy ‘overwhelmed’ as fundraising cycle ride raises over £2m | STV News

I bet the North York Moors railway isn't paying its president £250K either as Harry pays his old friend James Holt to run Archewell. I remember from the 2023 accounts that there were several senior staff earning £140k+

IcedPurple · 21/12/2025 10:42

prelovedusername · 21/12/2025 09:20

Charities in the UK (Including Scotland and NI although their legislation is different) are under much stricter scrutiny than in the US. Winding up a charity Is a formal process with legal obligations.

i suspect that the use of the word “Foundation” in the US defines it as a charity under their legislation whereas “Philanthropies” doesn’t. So this may be a way of avoiding what little US regulation and restrictions apply.

That seems the obvious explanation to me too.

As I understand it, a 'Foundation' has to abide by certain regulations, though said regulations are fairly loose. By contrast, 'Philanthropies' means basically nothing. It has no legal status, and therefore no legal obligations.

I can't see it being a great success whatever it's called. With so many reputable charities and foundations competing for donors, who is going to reach into their pocket for 'Archewell Philanthropies'?

RedTagAlan · 21/12/2025 10:53

AtIusvue · 21/12/2025 10:28

Also, in the past- where they have got most of their donations from- there will be regulations about who you give money to.

A foundation has to have a board, legal framework, publish accounts etc

The legal structure is completely changing. Philanthropy doesn’t require any legal framework. It’s just rich peoole giving out money.

Therefore they will struggle to get certain donors who have to give to places that are clearly above board.

This will be why the are now selling dinners, because the charity that gave to them before I doubt will give over money when there’s zero accountability on Megs and Harry

Agree. I think the 501(c) thing comes into play as well, because the donor needs that for the donation to be tax deductible. Without it, the donation really is coming out of a pocket, and not being used against tax ?

Now.... lets speculate :-)

Does H know anyone, a rich relative perhaps, who wants to bung him a few quid without being named ?

Diclofenac · 21/12/2025 10:57

I could be wrong but I think in the US donations to charities are tax deductible so I don't see how a vague "philanthropies" could attract donors 🤷

Diclofenac · 21/12/2025 10:59

Sorry cross post RedTag

RedTagAlan · 21/12/2025 11:02

Diclofenac · 21/12/2025 10:57

I could be wrong but I think in the US donations to charities are tax deductible so I don't see how a vague "philanthropies" could attract donors 🤷

I mentioned that in the post right above.

And I have put my aluminium foil hat on to wonder... does he have any rich friends or a relative who would prefer to remain anonymous.

:-)

Are aluminium foil hats allowed on this thread lol.

Mylovelygreendress · 21/12/2025 11:13

Archewell Philanthropies doesn’t exactly trip off the tongue does it ?

jeffgoldblum · 21/12/2025 11:21

Lunde · 20/12/2025 23:36

There are 2 aren't there?

There is the physical corporate "Happy Holidays" card of Meghan and Harry at Invictus

Then there is Meghan's social media Holiday message with Harry and the kids on the Duchess of Sussex Instagram page

My point was clear , a fan deliberately used the informal picture from Meghans instagram and presented that as the only official card without the other one deliberately to get comments about the children to obscure her previous thread where she encouraged comments about George, and it clearly worked!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/12/2025 11:29

I have put my aluminium foil hat on to wonder... does he have any rich friends or a relative who would prefer to remain anonymous

You don't need a tinfoil hat for that, @RedTagAlan - just to notice that someone's obviously doing the paying, that they have no clear income stream of their own, and that Harry's words about daddy having cut him off are no more to be relied on than anything else he says

ThePoshUns · 21/12/2025 11:51

I ca only assume Daddy is still
quietly bankrolling Harold.

Jaffyyy · 21/12/2025 12:36

Not2identifying · 21/12/2025 09:14

I do trust that the money Chris Hoy raised will go to cancer charities whereas Archewell, I'd guess that only 5% does, maybe a bit over but the vast majority goes to H&M. And even when they do make charitable contributions it's pretty obvious that they are burnishing their own images and reputations.

And even when they do make charitable contributions it's pretty obvious that they are burnishing their own images and reputations.

Agreed. They are front and centre of every initiative. Like the poor grieving parents and families they have hijacked at every “coffin chasing” opportunity - Uvalde, Cali fires, children died by sui@ide…. Probs more - to push their ‘compassionate’ brand image so she can flog more of her pancake mix and PH gets more par bookings for estate agents to be enthralled by his unique insights and superior wisdom.

Grubby, grasping, grifters

BasiliskStare · 21/12/2025 12:48

If I am to be honest I am not sure KCIII would be donating to Archewell when he has charities of his own. They have a few very very rich friends who I could see giving those few large donations. Now whether KCIII is giving H personal money - a different matter. I suspect not , or maybe he is paying a few bills for him , but that is pure speculation on my part.

RedTagAlan · 21/12/2025 12:48

Jaffyyy · 21/12/2025 12:36

And even when they do make charitable contributions it's pretty obvious that they are burnishing their own images and reputations.

Agreed. They are front and centre of every initiative. Like the poor grieving parents and families they have hijacked at every “coffin chasing” opportunity - Uvalde, Cali fires, children died by sui@ide…. Probs more - to push their ‘compassionate’ brand image so she can flog more of her pancake mix and PH gets more par bookings for estate agents to be enthralled by his unique insights and superior wisdom.

Grubby, grasping, grifters

Yup. Uvalde was terrible.

Compare them with the King. It was in the news just a few days ago that he had a reception at Buck House for the survivors and heroes of the Huntingdon Train attack. A respectful wait so as not to get in the way, and it was the people front and center.

Jaffyyy · 21/12/2025 12:54

RedTagAlan · 21/12/2025 12:48

Yup. Uvalde was terrible.

Compare them with the King. It was in the news just a few days ago that he had a reception at Buck House for the survivors and heroes of the Huntingdon Train attack. A respectful wait so as not to get in the way, and it was the people front and center.

Yes Michelle Obama has previously commented on H&M performance / behaviours in the past to say that one’s role is to intentionally shine a light on the cause/victims and deliberately move it away from yourself in these sorts of endeavours.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/12/2025 13:57

Jaffyyy · 21/12/2025 12:54

Yes Michelle Obama has previously commented on H&M performance / behaviours in the past to say that one’s role is to intentionally shine a light on the cause/victims and deliberately move it away from yourself in these sorts of endeavours.

Yes, Jaffyyy, and not for the first time Michelle Obama was right

I doubt the thought will impinge on H&M though; their utter self obsession seems too entrenched for that

bluegreygreen · 21/12/2025 14:10

The point about where certain donors will give was becoming an issue for Sentebale as well, if I remember correctly - it became part of the argument about clarity and governance.

AtIusvue · 21/12/2025 14:42

I mean what on earth have the spent 5 million in expenses, in one year on?

Staff members were on a salary of about 150k

They only gave out 1.25 million in grants.

I can’t even think of any projects Archewell is associated with….never mind it then costing 5 million to carry out!!!!

Sounds so dodgy.

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IcedPurple · 21/12/2025 14:56

AtIusvue · 21/12/2025 14:42

I mean what on earth have the spent 5 million in expenses, in one year on?

Staff members were on a salary of about 150k

They only gave out 1.25 million in grants.

I can’t even think of any projects Archewell is associated with….never mind it then costing 5 million to carry out!!!!

Sounds so dodgy.

I don't really get the foundation for the foundation, so to speak.

The Sussexes are nowhere near rich enough to be major philanthropists in their own right.

Nor do they have the platform and prestige of royal life anymore.

Nor do either of them have any real expertise in any specific area in which the foundation could specialise.

To me it's like they're playing at being 'philanthropists', but with none of the credentials needed to make a success of it. No wonder the 'foundation' has now been downgraded to some vague 'do good' organisation.

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