As ever, WLM, PR disasters continued

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Online, people are pointing out that a very expensive cashmere jumper that Meg wore on suits, also made its way to her wardrobe

It’s been nothing but PR disasters of late.

What I have noticed which is curious - is that the UK tabloids are not running with P6 story about the dress. Just like they avoided talking about the NY car chase. They only reported on the media frenzy. But, we know Harry sent out some sort of memo not to publish photos etc. None of the UK press did. Now Meg has acknowledged the stolen dress story and released an official refute ….and none of the UK press are even reporting on that?

That’s weird. They will literally print any old Meg story to get clicks…..but not this one???

The articles on this issue are mainly American.

Definitely!

During my periods living abroad there were so many times when I was itching to share my exalted opinions on local affairs with the grateful locals. Happily, most of the time I managed to resist the temptation!

Maybe Harry should renounce his titles and apply for American citizenship. Then he can make all the political jokes he likes. If anyone cares to listen.

Yeah, maybe the moon is made of cheese and he'll pay for his own security as well! 😅

This thread is weird.

I very much doubt Meghan scurried out of a photo shoot clutching a stolen dress, or that she would ever be the persondealing witn purchases and contracts. She has stylists who sort all of that out.

And as for the comments re a small child's hair! My daughter's hair is a similar texture and frequently looked "wild" at that age - she was happy, it didn't matter. A good thing about slightly curly hair is that you can plait it back without a hair tie when needed.

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Stephen Colbert is cleverer than he is funny (imo). He's been around the block a few times, and has made serious points, seriously, about serious issues.

He's mocking the dumb prince by having him on his show like this. He's Irish, of the anti-British variety. Harry is a gift to him, and Harry doesn't even know it. He's such a liability.

I do get it.

But Harry never wanted or asked to leave the RF or stop doing royal duties. He said repeatedly he always wanted to carry on doing that. It’s the only thing he has ever known. And he was good at it.

This point has been deliberately misconstrued by the press and others ever since who turned it in to a dramatic tabloidy “Harry turns his back on UK and never wants to do royal duties ever again”.

When he left, he was asking QE2 for a way to combine royal duties alongside doing some commercial work which is exactly what Charles and William do with the Duchies!

And what all of the family do to a lesser or minor extent with the royal warrant system.

And as we know now, what Andrew had been doing for two decades. And this was allegedly known about and covered up by BP.

So Harry had a point and a reason to be upset I think.

Harry was asking to be more official and above board about it, that’s the only difference.

In addition, fitting in to a rigid archaic system is not so easy if your wife is older, raised in another country, and had an established career. I think that should have been given some more consideration. Especially once dc were on the scene.

Also we know now from several commentators who have gone on record, that the so-called Sandringham Summit was much more of a fait accompli than a discussion. Apparently the courtiers only printed out in advance the nuclear option for Harry to sign which was “leave”.

Actually all of the above is why I am more on Harry’s side than not, even if I am more towards the Republican pov at heart, I am not bothered about Harry per se, and don’t approve of the way he left, but I don’t like the way the RF and the establishment, stonewall people who dare to speak up publically in protest,

The same thing happened to Diana. And frankly the RF need to encounter some opposition in order to change bc they live in a protected bubble that’s far too deferential. For example, Charles only acted decisively about Andrew after he was heckled in public.

That is my position anyway but republicans don’t all hold one solid viewpoint just like monarchists.

I would also like to point out something that doesn’t appear to have been noticed.
after Meghan was criticised by the Indian community for taking the mickey out of her guests pronounciation ( I think it was mindy?) , we now have Harry mocking a black British woman for hers ( Alison Hammond) , how very progressive of him , not at all racist and definitely not showing unconscious bias at all! 🙄

You've brought a ton of totally irrelevant stuff into this discussion. Maybe start another thread if you want to rehash Harry's Grand Flounce for the millionth time? Instead of trying to make this into yet another repetitive circular 'discussion'?

Harry shouldn't be making inane political jokes in a foreign country while using his royal title. It doesn't matter what did or didn't happen 5 years ago.

So no, you don't 'get it'. At all.

Depends whether Meghan goes too. I was thinking more of Harry finding a way to play faux royal abroad in a place that half feels like home and where his royal status is recognised, whilst being able to nip home to the wife and kids in California in a couple of hours.

AH has reposted it on her Insta. Bought her huge extra exposure. I think she’s happy enough. Plus, he was lip-synching, and if an accent was being mocked, it was the GBBO contestant. Who has also posted on Insta, and seems chuffed about it.

Of course Colbert was mocking him!

Harry was mocking himself too.

They were both very much aware of the double satire going on.

I very much doubt Meghan scurried out of a photo shoot clutching a stolen dress, or that she would ever be the persondealing witn purchases and contracts. She has stylists who sort all of that

She did take the dress, along with other items

Meghan admitted she took the clothes and jewelry, although she claims with the agreement of the stylists and their team, however no one on the shoot has corroborated Meghan’s version, it’s been eerily silent from them, Meghan hasn’t sued despite claiming it was defamatory to say she is a thief.

The stolen clothes and jewelry claims came from someone who worked on the shoot and it has been known for a long time before it hit the mainstream news.

Perhaps I wasn’t clear.

Harry never rejected his royal status or his titles. You were criticising him for using them in public.

I was explaining that he was rail-roaded in to his current position.

That doesn’t make it right does it!
the Indian bus driver didn’t complain when Harry mocked his accent either ( however Diana did tell him off ) .
his former military men didn’t complain when Harry called one a paI and the other a rag**d either !
why do you think that was?
why do you think that the foo fighters drummer didn’t hit him back or complain?
why do you think that his bodyguards haven’t complained about him hitting them?
why do you think the former bar manager didn’t complain when he called him a frog?
do you think lack of complaints make these actions acceptable?
do you think that Harry being an untouchable prince means he can do and say these things and that makes them acceptable?

It was the parents who were being criticised for Lilibet’s hair looking a mess .

In what way was he railroaded ?

Harry learnt everything he knew from his grandfather!

At least he is now aware he was wrong, has admitted as much in public, and included stories against himself in his book about how he was wrong.

The only reason he was a successful royal was because he had world-quality handlers. Since he left the RF, he apparently has very bad ones. He has accepted bogus awards, insulted a respected actor who loved Harry's mother, offended the mother of a legit American hero, pulled his disaster tourism stunt, the lists go on.

If he really wanted to do good, he could have given the money he spent on that recent food prep event directly to a food bank so they could use it to buy groceries. The money would have gone further.

Somewhere in the UK, all the people he complained his criticized in "Spare" must be laughing.

I don't want to rehash ancient history but of course he was not 'rail roaded'.

He and his wife thought they were so important, so popular and so all round amazing, that they could basically name their price. Turns out they were not quite as indispensable as they thought. And the rest is history which unlike you I'm not interested in going over yet again.

Whether Harry 'chose' to reject his royal status or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he is, as a Prince of the United Kingdom, publicly making 'jokes' at the expense of the Head of State of his host country. That is inappropriate regardless of what Harry did or did not 'choose'.

And you still don't get it.

He has learned nothing has done something similar recently and hasn’t properly apologised, what his grandfather may or may not have done bears no relation to a person who was born into an age when we know these things are wrong.

@Thewolffromthedoor89 Have you actually read "Spare"?

I mean, he has explained multiple times how he wanted to get away from the toxic environment and generational trauma, how he felt trapped, he disliked doing the tours and engagements, how they wanted to be independent from the RF and have their children grow up away from royal life. He says he had talked about leaving years earlier than he did. It doesn’t seem as if he was railroaded, it was something he had wanted for some time. obviously he would have preferred to monetise SussexRoyal for his own personal gain, as was their plan, but equally obviously QE2 was never going to agree to that. At first he rejected his titles too, “just call me Harry”, before changing his mind (or having it changed for him by someone a bit more savvy 🫢)

Colbert was having a laugh at Harry's expense. He was laughing AT Harry.

Harry, who allowed himself to be advertised and introduced as a prince, was mocking royalty - how could he possibly be mocking himself, so insistent on his own royalty, when he and his wife are raising their family ENTIRELY on the basis of being taken seriously as royals? It's all they have going for them, as the last however many years have proven. It's entirely within his gift to not be royal and for his children to not be royal, so he could not be royal and mock away. There's logical integrity there. But he's on record as saying "what difference would it make?" whether he gives up his titles or not. He's THAT thick, and THAT keen to have his cake and eat it.

And what circumspection does this grown man, father of two, holder of princely titles, demonstrate by belittling the head of state of the country that he's a guest in, the very same head of state for which Charles, William, Camilla and Catherine had to hold their noses and host for the good and betterment of the country? According to Harry, they're all equally royal. 4 out of 5 of them do what they have to do and get on with it. Harry feels capable of being a guest in Trump's house and deriding him at his own dinner table! I suppose in a way that epitomizes royal entitlement, but he's not that clever so you can't even give him that.

Harry isn't capable of satire, let alone double satire. I don't disagree that he was born into a cage, albeit a very gilded one. But at this point, now that he's free of it, he's trying to benefit from the privileges while scorning the duties and laughing at, and seeking to denigrate and undermine those he left behind. That doesn't work for those he's leaving behind. They have no control over him and can't impact his life other than by denying him access to the privileges he's seeking to retain at their expense (and it's rapidly becoming at their expense). Seems obvious: if he wants to be free, he should be allowed to be free. Entirely free of the RF.

Did you read my post at all?

The Sandringham Summit was not a discussion, It was a stitch up.

The only conditions under which H & M could could stay in the RF at all was without any flexibility at all. No HI or HO.

Despite most of the other members making commercial deals on the side.

The monarch makes pots of money from the Duchy of Lancaster,

The heir makes pots of money from the Duchy of Cornwall.

Does that not count as profiting from your royal position too?

Andrew made loads of deals on the side for decades! Apparently that was ok by the late Queen!

There was no proper discussion of flexibility. Harry was presented with a done deal.

I am not saying any of it is right!

I am saying it was hypocritical of the RF in the extreme.

And then Harry of course is the only one who gets stonewalled for calling them all out!

Until Lownie exposed Andrew that is. Remember that the RF would probably be still protecting Andrew to this day if Epstein hadn’t been prosecuted.

As ever, H is a victim. H is the victimiest victim that ever victimed.

H is a victim of his brother being born first, being bigger in size and eating more hence the great sausage travesty. I am sure H follows strict portion equality between his two kids with different ages and appetites.

H is a victim of his mother's decision to give William the bigger half of the nursery.

H is a victim of his dear King Pa for Pa's failure to be a bank issuing blank checks.

H is a victim of his grandfather being born in a less "woke" generation and using language from his era.

H is a victim of his grandmother not giving into H's every whim.

In every situation, when in doubt, H is a victim.