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Tina Brown on Harry/Meghan

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MsAmerica · 25/11/2025 23:34

Tina Brown Thinks the Über-Rich Have It Coming
By Lulu Garcia-Navarro

Lulu Garcia-Navarro: One of your other specialties is the royal family. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are trying to make their own way in the world. They’ve had a rocky time being entrepreneurs. Do you think they have anything to offer anymore?

Tina Brown: It’s very sad what’s happened to them. I have never seen anybody in professional life make as many mistakes as Meghan has, and unfortunately Harry is not the brightest bulb, either. He thought that Meghan would be his guide in the big wide world beyond Buckingham Palace, and it turns out that Meghan makes one terrible professional decision after another. And now they’re pariahs everywhere, it seems, which is a very difficult situation for them because America was supposed to be the place that paid the bills.

What is sad is that Harry’s very good at being a prince. He’s charming, he’s upbeat, he’s attractive, he makes people happy when he walks into a room, he’s very good with young people. You could send him around the world and he’s always going to be welcomed and appealing. And I think he has realized too late that he was born to be a prince. And now he’s essentially just some guy doing P.R. gigs while Meghan tries out her latest cooking idea or whatever.

It looks more and more as if Harry’s best decision would be to find a way to come back to England. I’d like to see a way for him to make amends with his family, but it gets harder and harder as the years go by. I think that William is going to be the decider of that, and I think William has a very tough view of the whole situation, which is that the betrayal of Harry is not something that can be remedied.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/15/magazine/tina-brown-interview.html

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bluegreygreen · 27/11/2025 15:06

Indianrollerbird · 27/11/2025 13:43

Interestingly, the man of the hour, Andrew Lownie, sent the William affair rumour mill going a few days ago by repeating the old story on his Substack. Then he pulled it abruptly and apologised for it on a podcast on Monday. Blamed it on an American SM lackey overreaching, whom he says he has now sacked. I don’t think he’d have pulled it if he had solid intelligence, and wasn’t in danger of a libel suit. As far as I am aware, it didn’t contain anything we haven’t heard before.

Yes, I think that's why it has surfaced again, as it was emailed out from AL's Substack.

Having seen the screenshots, it simply repeated the original rumour, along with some 'insider gossip' which AL is becoming known for.

Disappointingly he has chosen not to publish a retraction in similar manner.

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 15:16

Mylovelygreendress · 27/11/2025 13:47

He WAS likeable but in the last few years we have seen a vindictive, manipulative and petulant man .

Yes, since he dropped the Palace PR and decided to become a professional whinger, he's not so likable. A greedy, lazy, petulant, entitled idiot, with stories about frozen todgers and talking bins.
Just what the Foreign Office are looking for when they organise state visits.

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 15:17

mumofoneAloneandwell · 27/11/2025 13:45

Hes likeable 😭

Most people dont care that much and he is still involved with his charities so that will help

Unfortunately, things have gone wrong for certain of his charities, haven't they?

Indianrollerbird · 27/11/2025 15:27

bluegreygreen · 27/11/2025 15:06

Yes, I think that's why it has surfaced again, as it was emailed out from AL's Substack.

Having seen the screenshots, it simply repeated the original rumour, along with some 'insider gossip' which AL is becoming known for.

Disappointingly he has chosen not to publish a retraction in similar manner.

I completely agree that he should have printed a retraction, made it clear it was not his work (despite his name being put to it) and apologised. As far as I'm aware, the only place he's said sorry is on the Vintage Read Show, and she's now dropped him (they were formerly doing a weekly podcast). If the man who brought down Andrew MW has something to say, he should just say it. His current approach is rather cowardly, and I am disappointed in him, as I think he's done good work in the past.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 15:32

Harry was only ever likable thanks to the palace PR machine

While I agree with this, @PuppiesProzacProsecco, let's not forget that applies to the rest of them too

The difference is that Harry chose to go off piste and has shown us exactly what he is via his own words and deeds, but who's to say what people would think of the others if it wasn't for the PR people and their own silence?

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 15:41

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 15:32

Harry was only ever likable thanks to the palace PR machine

While I agree with this, @PuppiesProzacProsecco, let's not forget that applies to the rest of them too

The difference is that Harry chose to go off piste and has shown us exactly what he is via his own words and deeds, but who's to say what people would think of the others if it wasn't for the PR people and their own silence?

Also, he's been a proven liar. Lying about his own family and invading their privacy - for money - has not been a good choice.

RainbowBagels · 27/11/2025 15:45

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 15:32

Harry was only ever likable thanks to the palace PR machine

While I agree with this, @PuppiesProzacProsecco, let's not forget that applies to the rest of them too

The difference is that Harry chose to go off piste and has shown us exactly what he is via his own words and deeds, but who's to say what people would think of the others if it wasn't for the PR people and their own silence?

💯%. It cant be a coincidence that the 2 disgraced members are suddenly terrible after all the years we were told they were amazing. We suddenly find out how awful they were. Harry is a Royal. He was born, bred and protected in the same way as the others. The only difference is once a few spares take their place they become more disposable.

Fairgamer · 27/11/2025 15:46

Snowonground · 26/11/2025 22:55

Be interesting to see how many pots of jam she sells when shes just a plain Mrs. Which will be soon. Not many people in the UK think those titles should stay and of course the UK is the relevant country in that decision. Not the US.

She would still have her brand l, her family and be very famous. I don't think people buy things because of her title or lack of honestly. If it was the bigger of her worries she would still be in the roula family

MrsLeonFarrell · 27/11/2025 15:51

It's always interesting when the affair rumour raises it's head again. The new spoon that Meghan was morally outraged and that is what caused the spilt between the brothers is a new one on me. Pretty sure that Harry was telling the truth when he said it was William's complaints about Meghan's behaviour that caused the arguments.

I have been reliably (?) informed by someone who is on the fringes of the toffs in Norfolk that the affair rumours are true because they were all talking about it. Because of course everything the gossip mill talks about is completely true and not at all chinese whispers and made up rubbish. The Daily Mail never makes up sources either. The fact that there has never been credible evidence, despite the Internet desperately looking for it, and that Rose was prepared to sue leads me to believe that it isn't actually true. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 27/11/2025 15:52

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 15:32

Harry was only ever likable thanks to the palace PR machine

While I agree with this, @PuppiesProzacProsecco, let's not forget that applies to the rest of them too

The difference is that Harry chose to go off piste and has shown us exactly what he is via his own words and deeds, but who's to say what people would think of the others if it wasn't for the PR people and their own silence?

I agree that yes it does apply to the rest of them, however despite palace PR pre Meghan we were witnessed to Harry’s bad behaviour, the Nazi fancy dress, the racist comments, fighting with his security staff, hitting Taylor Hawkes, partying with alleged prostitutes, just a few things off the top of my head, none of the other royals (bar the Yorks) have done similar things publicly so on the balance of probability maybe they don't have any abhorrent behaviour to cover up?

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 15:54

Rose Hanbury was prepared to sue.
After these rumours circulated, Pippa Middleton had a baby daughter and called her Rose. That, to me, speaks volumes.
I wouldn't give much credence to the gossiping of "turnip toffs".

Indianrollerbird · 27/11/2025 16:02

I'm starting to think Lownie's "rogue US SM manager" story is about as plausible as the "rogue Dutch translator" story. As good as he is, much of his output depends on unsourced gossip and fishing for a story.

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 16:03

Indianrollerbird · 27/11/2025 16:02

I'm starting to think Lownie's "rogue US SM manager" story is about as plausible as the "rogue Dutch translator" story. As good as he is, much of his output depends on unsourced gossip and fishing for a story.

Yes. Good point.

RainbowBagels · 27/11/2025 16:04

NormaMajors1992coat · 27/11/2025 14:07

The RF also have a responsibility to the country don’t forget - no way will they want a whinging, spiteful liar with a drug habit representing them or us.

They couldn't care less when we were being represented by rude people who went around insulting people who couldn't answer back ( which all of them apart from maybe William and Kate have done) . Or for us to be represented by a man who made us pay for his legion of prostitutes and games of golf.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 16:05

Despite palace PR pre Meghan we were witnessed to Harry’s bad behaviour ...

This is perfectly true, @BigWillyLittleTodger, as your examples and many others show. I'd say that if even the PR people couldn't keep them all from the public you have to wonder what he's really like, except we're already finding that out

It's also the case that, apart from Andrew, the rest generally avoid making complete asses of themselves in public, but still believe that's as much about self-protection as anything else ... plus of course the fact that folk are more interested in discussing the two bogeymen than the others

MrsGusset · 27/11/2025 16:06

mumofoneAloneandwell · 27/11/2025 13:27

I never comment on these Meghan threads but I agree with this Tina Brown

Time for Harry to come back and be a prince and make amends - he will improve the royal family and make them more likeable and they will provide him and meghan with financial stability

Meghan will get some stick but tbh, if camilla can be queen, meghan can survive it, plus she will have a lot of supporters in the uk

I firmly understand why they wanted out , and agree with them re meghans suffering, but they cant do anything else tbh

There's as much chance of the King invitng me to become a senior working member of the RF as there is of either Harry or Meghan being welcomed back in any official capacity. For wherever those 2 go trouble & drama will surely follow.

Mind you HRH The Duchess of Gusset does have a certain ring to it...

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 16:08

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 16:05

Despite palace PR pre Meghan we were witnessed to Harry’s bad behaviour ...

This is perfectly true, @BigWillyLittleTodger, as your examples and many others show. I'd say that if even the PR people couldn't keep them all from the public you have to wonder what he's really like, except we're already finding that out

It's also the case that, apart from Andrew, the rest generally avoid making complete asses of themselves in public, but still believe that's as much about self-protection as anything else ... plus of course the fact that folk are more interested in discussing the two bogeymen than the others

They're not "bogeymen" or victims, or innocent parties.
Harry and Meghan made choices, on how they lived, how they treated people and how they made money.

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 16:10

MrsGusset · 27/11/2025 16:06

There's as much chance of the King invitng me to become a senior working member of the RF as there is of either Harry or Meghan being welcomed back in any official capacity. For wherever those 2 go trouble & drama will surely follow.

Mind you HRH The Duchess of Gusset does have a certain ring to it...

Well, I suspect you wouldn't bully people, collapse on the floor weeping, complain non stop, tell lies, drink heavily and take drugs.
Win-win!

BoudiccaRuled · 27/11/2025 16:12

The worst thing about this is how unfunny the "jokes" were. Do Americans really watch this utter bilge and chortle away? It isn't flattering...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 16:12

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 16:08

They're not "bogeymen" or victims, or innocent parties.
Harry and Meghan made choices, on how they lived, how they treated people and how they made money.

I didn't mean to suggest they were either victims or innocent, FleurDeFleur, and you're quite right that it's their own choices which have brought most of what's happened upon them

I still maintain though that, while so much attention is focused on these two horrors, the rest are able to relax more than they otherwise might

Indianrollerbird · 27/11/2025 16:13

BoudiccaRuled · 27/11/2025 16:12

The worst thing about this is how unfunny the "jokes" were. Do Americans really watch this utter bilge and chortle away? It isn't flattering...

No, which is why he's been cancelled!

MrsLeonFarrell · 27/11/2025 16:18

Indianrollerbird · 27/11/2025 16:02

I'm starting to think Lownie's "rogue US SM manager" story is about as plausible as the "rogue Dutch translator" story. As good as he is, much of his output depends on unsourced gossip and fishing for a story.

I suspect that the success of his book has gone to his head a bit. He needs to stick to facts or he will be sued. I don't want anything to undermine what he revealed about the Yorks so I hope he learns a lesson here.

FleurDeFleur · 27/11/2025 16:24

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 16:12

I didn't mean to suggest they were either victims or innocent, FleurDeFleur, and you're quite right that it's their own choices which have brought most of what's happened upon them

I still maintain though that, while so much attention is focused on these two horrors, the rest are able to relax more than they otherwise might

Ok, thanks for clarifying, I misunderstood 👍.
I'm wondering if it's maybe had the opposite effect? They really can't afford more scandals, so they're very careful?
Anyway, I think Anne, Sophie and Edward keep themselves tidy
I'm not too sure about Beatrice and Eugenie though.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 16:24

Anyone of any note doesn’t seem to want anything to do with them

Yes, @Benjithedog, and as they slide down into associating with ever tackier people (the Kardashians for god's sake??) that must really sting

Hard to believe this is a couple who once wanted to ally themselves with genuinely powerful people and have finished up with twerking and flogging jam, but there you go

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 27/11/2025 16:29

Fair point @Puzzledandpissedoff though I remain hopeful that not all the apples in the barrel can be as spectacularly rotten as Harry and Andrew 🙏