Here we go … Andrew to leave Royal Lodge and lose title

[Flixon]

Headlined in The Times just now …. About bloody time …

Taking away his other titles, Duke of York etc is one thing, but to take away his title by birthright of Prince, is an almighty shocker!!! Are they expecting some new 'bombshell'? He's now Mr Windsor, while his daughters remain princesses - utterly bizarre! * there'll be hell on if they get 2 bloody houses mind!

Fascinating rise of momentum from the Lownie book, the Giuffre book, the laughing at the funeral and the release of the emails showing he had lied in the Maitlis interview.
It is heartening to see that pressure and evidence and public opinion can bring about change.

Well it's certainly a warning shot that the 'firm' is not afraid to flex its muscles! I'd love them 2 to be next!

Will there be room for all of his teddy bears?

I hope so, they don't deserve to suffer 🧸

There is no way William will strip Charlotte and Louis of their titles.

The BBC say it's not Wood Farm.

Let's hope it's not York House, that'd be a bit tone deaf!

Don't be so naive. You're behaving like the next person you're expected to courtesy for is any better. William didn't look in the least put out to be standing beside Andrew at the funeral. The yearning for William to be the next and best king is nauseating.

FGS some die hard royalists are determined to shoehorn in comparisons between a paedophile and Harry. You're embarrassing yourself.

Don’t they just! In my case it is always the same 2 SIL’s who seem to view my family funerals as a social get-together, a day off work and nothing else, giggling and chatting and totally oblivious to the hearse arriving and during the service! There are these types in many families…including the Royals.

William did ignore Andrew outside the church and looked uninterested in anything Andrew had to say…and William’s nose rubbing is actually a body language sign of anger. I’ve never before seen him do that.

Andrew has displayed so many boorish behaviours…he knows what’s right and wrong but doesn’t give a shit.

Recent articles, and Lownie’s book, point to the Queen not wanting to hear of any complaints about any wrongdoings by Andrew when travel envoy or with pitch at palace. That people stopped trying to tell her because they were rebuffed.

Also, something I’ve been thinking about. The palace waited until Virginia was found to have grounds to file a civil case in the US against Andrew, and just the day after she filed, the go ahead was given to settle. The Palace (I think Lownie specified the Queen) were waiting to see if a legality would prevent the case being taken to court.

That’s murky in my opinion. I see it as taking the position that if Virginia couldn’t sue because Andrew might have been covered under an earlier settlement she accepted with Epstein, than the palace would continue to ignore any of Andrew’s alleged wrongdoings.

I do understand about your discomfort about the recent spin on the Queen. Once she stripped him of his patronages and military affiliations and right to use hrh (or more truthfully he agreed not to use hrh ) I can’t remember the Queen being seen with him in public again. It was Charles that let him out again - limited outings but still. I was surprised Andrew got to wear the velvet draperies to Charles’ coronation.

Someone’s going to accuse me of pretzeling. But it’s complex and there’s not always one single right answer.

Giving up the Duke of York title - conferred by the Queen - is one thing. But being stripped of his Prince title that he's had by birth, by virtue of being the son of a monarch, is unprecedented, I think? I'm quite shocked by it. Not because I think he doesn't deserve it - he does, and richly - but because it's such an unprecedented humiliation.

I'm guessing the family were starting to think this could prove destabilising for the monarchy/the Royal family as a whole. It also makes me wonder what else is going to come out. The statement makes it sound like the King doesn't believe his protestations of innocence in the slightest. So they've cut him off to stop the rot spreading to them.

He fully deserves his downfall. But I do want to see all the other bigwigs taken down too. Former presidents? Let's see what dirt there is on them as well. The whole stinking house of corrupt cards needs to be exposed.

I'm sure it didn't help, but moves like this will have been in the pipeline for longer than a couple of days.

A prince - a grandson of Queen Victoria - was stripped of the title of Prince for fighting with the Germans in WW1.

So it’s not unprecedented. But it’s obviously got to be very serious.

There are many in the US that want to see all of Epstein’s gross mates exposed. Some people voted for Trump because he campaigned on the promise of exposing it all. Unbelievably, MAGA republicans believed that a cabal of democratic pedophiles were led by Hilary Clinton - insane stuff. Then Trump reneged when he became president again. It’s causing a fissure between some of the republicans annd even some of the MAGA republicans. But others are believing their leader. It really is cult like behaviour in my opinion.

Currently it looks like the democrats and a few republicans might be able to force a release of all the files.

I feel really sad that Virginia Guiffre is not here to see Andrew’s downfall. She was so extraordinarily brave. I hope all the other victims get the justice they are entitled to.

Exactly.

He has a few million probably but not multi. He has no funding from the sovereign grant just a pension from the navy. I don’t believe either the Queen or queen mother left lots to all 4. Most would go to Charles as king

he certainly didn’t have the millions to pay off Virginia the Queen had to do that

and look at the chalet he and Fergie bought, they didn’t have the money to pay for that either

he relays on ‘gifts’ from dodgy businessman and that’s s going to stop now as he is banished so no use to them

so he’s in for a tightening of the belts, and serve him right

The royals get heckled every now and then. booed as well. And it wasn’t really a heckling, it was a man calling out very reasonable questions concerning Andrew. So it’s more than that imo.

I think, under very different circumstances, that it might be Henry VIII downgrading his daughters to The Lady Mary and The Lady Elizabeth. But that was because of what he had done, nothing to do with anything either of them had done.

As previous posters have pointed out, it has happened much more recently than that. The last time it happened was in 1917.

I think the last time and only time they stripped a prince of his title was back in the 1910s - essentially for treason. He fought for the Germans in WW1.

They are now stripping Andrew’s for what looks to be some very nasty stuff.

This has been called the biggest crisis in regard to the monarchy since the abdication.

I doubt there are going to strip Harry of his titles because he told on some of them.

They need to stabilize the monarchy for the sake of the United Kingdom, not destabilize it more.

The Princess of Wales hasn't been racist to Markle.

William.
William pushed Charles to do it.

The statement makes it sound like the King doesn't believe his protestations of innocence in the slightest.

Agree. They don't believe him at all.

Yes they are cutting him loose now, so the fire doesn't spread and burn their whole kit and caboodle down with it.

The statement ‘he maintains he’s innocent’ is not a ringing endorsement for Andrew.

A far cry from the words ‘categorically deny’ (or it was something similar) the palace responded with when Virginia first made her allegations.