Why is there more online vitriol towards Megan Markle than Andrew?

[ladykale]

I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles).

On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill
know exactly where he was!

He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who
conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out.

Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million
pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation.

Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities!

WHY?

🤣🤣🤣 much funnier than what I thought … Megain’s flirting tactics 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮

The problem is Meghan seems to walk blindly into situations of her own creation. When you adopt the position of let me "show you how " with all her life tips on hosting etc it is natural that people look and react . Take this latest thing with her bookmark and using someone else's artwork. Didn't she think to credit? It's common practice but you end up with a load of super fans who think she's drawn it ! 🤷‍♀️ crazy !

If I start a thread saying "I don't like Andrew Windsor" there'll be 20 posts saying "yup. Me too". If I start one saying "I don't like Megan Markle" there'll be people agreeing and disagreeing for page after page. There's more vitriol for Megan because everybody agrees about Andrew.

What's the bets on that Meghan has these Christmas pancakes? Here's the recipe:
https://www.oetker.co.uk/recipes/r/christmas-tree-pancake-stack

Well, it’s not as if there isn’t broad agreement that the RF needed and still needs to change! A lot of monarchists agree that they do!

And William himself in his recent interview said that change was coming.

So I don’t know what was so bad about Meghan doing things differently! Sometimes it’s good if outsiders join an organisation and look at it more objectively and have the balls to question old ways of doing things.

Plus I really liked Meghan’s Grenfell Tower cookbook project and her Smart Work project.

Plus I would argue that C & W in particular have done things differently since M came on the scene. They are a little more informal in public; and have produced some slick PR films.

Whether you like the changes or not is a different matter but what some of us us older mumsnetters prefer is not really relevant if you want the monarchy to survive. It’s what my daughters’ generation thinks that matters and mine can’t even name anyone royal beside from Charles and maybe William and couldn’t really care less about any of them.

I think W & C have done things differently since Charles became king.

Fair point. Also true!

But I referred to the PR videos particularly bc I think they are very “Instagram” in tone, which is not Charles’s forte.

I agree . The late Queen was a stickler for protocol and the RF realised this and respected her wishes . Meghan tried to push against the protocols and it didn’t go down well . The more relaxed Royal events are nothing to do with M but because we have a new monarch.
It really was breathtakingly arrogant for M to think she could change the system overnight .

What concrete evidence is there that she tried to change the entire system overnight?

She may have objected to, or changed things that related to her specifically, like how they handled introducing Archie to the world, and I would say that was a reasonable choice, but I don’t believe there is concrete evidence that she tried to change the whole system overnight?

Isn’t that just a bit of hyperbolic tabloid rhetoric that everyone accepts without question?

Smart Works has been in existence for 12 years. It was not Meghan’s project.

Well to be frank, it’s not Megains choice about the steering of the royal family and that is one of the problems I suspect, she wanted ‘her way’ but she had no skin in the game so wasn’t her call

My point is that she wasn’t trying to steer the entire RF was she?

I think she was vocal in the things that involved her and how she carried those specific duties out. And I get the impression that bc she was assertive and knew her own mind it didn’t go down so well.

Yes I was waiting for someone to point that out. Let me re-phrase. I think she engaged with that project extremely well.

Harry is on record as saying that he didn't accuse the Royal family of racism. If he didn't I'm not sure why this myth is still being spread.

I think that had Meghan exercised some patience, taken time to get her bearings instead of "hitting the ground running" and listened to the advisors she was given, then she could have been quite successful in the firm. She may have even brought some changed in long term when Charles ascended. However one thing we have learnt since they found freedom is that neither Meghan or Harry thinks things through or talked the time to build slowly. What a wasted opportunity, both the cookbook and Smart Works showed that Meghan could achieve much if she worked with her advisors rather than against them.

Well, Catherine was the one asking the children skin colour, while Harry learned and grew out of it, so she is worse and hiding under an infantilizing press like a coward. Anyway this topic is about Andrew and Meghan right? Interesting that your bunch don't have same energy for Andrew, you are just angry that Meghan called out racism as if standing against institutionalised racism was a a crime and worse than pedophillia or trafficking.

If you checked the Andrew threads you would find I posted a great deal on them. I try to look at comments on their merits regardless of the royal subject. If you want to persist in thinking the worst that is up to you.

Then this topic is to talk about him too, if you don't know.

When did Catherine worry about the skin colour of Archie ? Do you have links ?

There is ZERO evidence that Catherine said anything racist about Archie. Saying that she did “multiple times” is defamatory as well as an outright lie.

It’s very clear where these posts have appeared from.

To be fair, the tabloids, other journalists and commentators , content creators, and some posters on sm threads like this one, aren’t really giving her the chance to build things slowly.

Every single step she takes is commented on negatively. It’s a lucrative mini-industry to trash her every move! Or as others have said here; they find it “amusing” to follow her activities and deride her.

Loads of entrepreneurs have failures at the beginning. But they tend to be ultimately more successful because they got stuck in, rather than waiting until everything is perfect. They learn through doing. The difference is that they are not contending with a global hate campaign at the same time.

Objectively speaking, I have no idea if her business model is crap not, and I don’t really care, but I defend her right to go about her activities without continual on-line harassment.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that under the confident facade she might be struggling and changing strategies all of the time because of the never-ending on-line onslaught against her? It would take a very strong person to be able to ignore the sheer volume of it entirely.

Doing things differently is not the issue, it’s stepping outside the chain of command. If you don’t recognise the absolute authority of the monarch and your place in the hierarchy, it isn’t for you.

Meghan and Harry struggled with that, which is fair enough, but their departure was petulant and vitriolic and destructive. If they’d gone quietly and with good grace nobody would have stopped them.

This is clearly the unverified rumour that couldn’t be published in the U.K. that scobie denied and tried to blame on the Dutch translators before he went unusually quiet!
I do hope this poster isn’t opening Mumsnet upto
a lawsuit for hosting it!

It is.

I agree that she is in a really difficult position. I've been posting for a while that i think they should drop the titles because it might reduce the scrutiny and it takes away one big stick the media use to beat them (commercialising the title). Having said that though I'm increasingly of the opinion that it might be too late to even try that. They are stuck with the attention maybe it's time to ignore it and not clap back at every article? I have a lot of sympathy for Meghan because she keeps trying to fund them. Harry, not so much.