Why is there more online vitriol towards Megan Markle than Andrew?

[ladykale]

I find it ridiculous how there is consistent hate towards Megan markle when she does pretty low key things like launching jam that no one is being forced to buy. People were delighted that she is no longer using HRH titles and even said she shouldn’t call herself the Duchess of Sussex (even though that is distinct from royal titles).

On the flip side - NO ONE has called for an actual investigation into Prince Andrew on the days that he claimed to be at Pizza Express in Woking, when his movements are logged by the royal gamily and his security detail so they eill
know exactly where he was!

He slept with an underage victim of sex trafficking who
conveniently died by suicide shortly before her memoir naming and shaming many individuals came out.

Limited criticism of the late Queen who used £12million
pg her personal money to pay off an underage sec trafficking victim & shielded him from any investigation.

Disgusted by it all and was amused to see the vitriol on an article about Megan breathing, whereas limited calls for Andrew to be investigated by any U.S or UK authorities!

WHY?

Fair enough. I have seen your name before but not enough to know much about your opinions. I just find it sad that on a mainly women’s forum, other women do this. I don’t think posters should resort to misogyny and it only makes their argument seem less valuable. It’s like when posters bring William or Harry’s children into arguments, some things should be off limits imo.

I would said that the scape goat was Andrew. He paid for all the powerful men involved in this scandal. Including Clinton and many others in Epstein”s social club.

Setting aside whether any of the rumours about MM have any foundation, I don’t think it’s misogynistic to comment on a woman’s behaviour when it seems predatory and calculating. I don’t believe women should support other women for the sake of it, any more than I think it’s right that men close ranks and protect their own.

The poster mentioned Meghans acting roles, where she had given a blow job in a car and where she had dressed as a sexy maid. Personally I don’t think women should be judged on what acting roles they take when trying to make it as an actor and I do question the relevance of that and the persons motives for mentioning it. They also described her as ‘creeping’ around another man.

Yes, I understand what you mean , things can easily get heated and misinterpreted online. But I wasn’t having trouble understanding your point. My concern is more about a pattern I’ve noticed where some posts twist facts or attack others, not just you or me, but a lot of other members who dare to have a different opinion, and for reading this topic it seems to come from the same group of people.

The Gordon Getty stories about Meghan are treated as if they’re fact, leading to sites like ‘SaintMeghanMarkle' sub or videos titles like ‘Is Gordon Getty Really Duchess Meghan’s Sugar Daddy?’, all from two years ago when she was happily married, with zero photos, evidence, so it seemed more pure hate, smear. I have criticisms of Meghan as well as the other royals, but what about focus on what’s verifiable rather than letting baseless rumors drive the conversation?

I don’t see why it’s misogyny though. As I read it, the criticisms weren’t because she’s a woman, they were about her willingness to do anything to get what she wanted. There are some people (including posters here it seems) who find that degree of ambition admirable.

We’ll have to agree to differ.

When women are ambitious, it’s seen as a bad thing. They’re somehow manipulating and calculating. Their dating life and friendships are scrutinised.

When men are ambitious, they’re just driven and focused. Who they date is rarely mentioned. They can date younger women without much said. Even when they’re friends with questionable men, it’s minimised and covered up in cases like Epstein and their pals. Johnny Depp was a hero despite being a complete arsehole, but of course it was all Amber Heard and she was crazy etc.

Ive no time for tearing women apart for these things.

Are you recruiting? , why are you attempting to turn this poster against those whose opinions you don’t share?
she has already said she’s ambivalent about Meghan.
as has been established she has her own opinions and can make up her own mind , without you dripping poison in her ear .
mn is not a hive mind but a collection of people with differing opinions and different perspectives on things, there are no teams and no reason to recruit others to a cause.

I agree with both your view and @AllThisTime view both are reasonable and both have merit but with anything in life normally there is a fine line between that and the balance between being supportive but not overlooking where criticism is due.

I’m not recruiting anyone. I’m not trying to turn anyone against anyone else. Everyone here is entitled to their own opinions, and I respect that. I was just pointing behaviour that came out as hostile to members and toxic ways to muddle the discussion. It’s just interesting that questioning baseless rumors or pointing the flawed sources is seen as poisoning the discussion, while treating the same rumors as fact and labeling particularly Meghan a gold-digger and all sexist names possible, isn’t challenged by you.

This is Mumsnet, not Reddit, or any other forum, the posters here are not responsible for comments made on an American centric website!
everyone here is an adult and responsible for their own posts .
it is not my job or any other poster here to call out posts that you disagree with!
if you have a problem with a post you should address that with the poster concerned and stop trying to apportion blame to others, either make your case or not , it’s on you to call out posts that you don’t like.
and I would remind you that every poster here has the right to their opinion , just as you do , you are no different or special than anyone else on this board and your personal opinion is yours and not definitive or that of any poster.

Yes, I know everyone is responsible for their own posts. I’m simply pointing out that some twisting of facts is happening and unverified claims about Meghan are being treated as fact, while questioning them and pointed the flawed source and logic is seen as problematic by some. My intention is just to focus on evidence and have a fair, honest discussion, not to shut down anyone’s opinion. Just as everyone is free to have their own view, I can point out things I notice too.

That is your opinion only , unless you are willing to prove that those comments are “twisted “ and “unverified “ then they hold just as much legitimacy as the comments you have made yourself, and as far as I can tell from this thread in particular none of the things posted were false and those that were made by posters answering questions made by another poster were couched as rumours and not presented as fact.
you made nasty accusations about @BigWillyLittleTodgerand insinuated that she was a member of a website that you deemed hateful, no proof of this but your feelings and opinion.
I have my own view and am able to point out things I notice too.

Again: My point is that some posts echo unverified claims about Meghan, while asking questions, pointing or seeking clarification attract criticism or strong reactions. I was just noting where claims originated, which is confusing and uncomfortable to many. I’m interested in a discussion based on evidence, not in attacking anyone nor being attacked or having opinions twisted, and I think it’s fair for everyone to be able to ask questions without being targeted or feel like that. This thread is asking why there’s less vitriol toward Andrew, yet some posters insisted on calling Meghan names based on taking bizarre rumours about Meghan, as facts, including saying she is a gold digger among other mysoginistic things (and ironically no same energy for Fergie which is what the topic is pointing out). When I looked into it, the source led back to a hate‑filled subreddit. I’d hope Mumsnet could aim higher than repeating material from unsourced lunatic places like that.

Haha and you and others go round insinuating posters are members of the sussex squad or are meghan fans even when you are told they arent.

You on another thread have been calling Meghan a thief and making commentd on what else she has stolen based on an article where it said she allegedly had stolen clothes from unnamed sources...and as your comments go on they are presented as a fact she stole things...

In the discussion thread on Entitled, Sarah Ferguson came in for considerable criticism. This isn't a Sarah thread or an Andrew thread. So why bring them up?

I've stated many times my issues with H & M. I'm not going to pretend these issues don't exist. I look at actions, not words.

I support the cause of women wholeheartedly. I defend the rights of women against those who would diminish them.

I do not support the actions of all women. I especially don’t support those who use being a woman to manipulate and extort. If that’s misogynistic so be it.

But taking an acting job here she is dressed a certain way or acts out something sexual isn’t using her womanhood to manipulate and extort, yet it was mentioned.

Her connection with Rory Mcilroy seems to have been either as friends or there was attraction there (I didn’t know they had ever been linked before this thread) according to google, so again, she wasn’t using her womanhood to extort and manipulate as far as I can see, yet it was mentioned.

The connection with the older man seems to be a bit strange, but nothing definite. And for every younger pretty woman that men like this have on their knee 🤮, there is a creepy older man willing to use it to his advantage too, if that is what was going on.

Saying she is a party girl, what does that even really mean. It’s insinuating having a good time for women is in some way bad. Should women be ‘pure’ or something, no good times for us as we’ll be judged and held to account forever more.

It’s all misogyny. I don’t think any of that is relevant.

If people dislike her for doing interviews, making a lifestyle/cooking show etc, think she’s lying, is cashing in on using her title etc, although I don’t agree with all of that, I can see where they’re coming from and why they feel that way.

Racism, sexism and classism.

he is white, male and ex-royalty
she is black, female and from a working class background

She is not working class background ffs she was very privileged growing up

I haven’t commented on her acting jobs, I don’t think they’re relevant.

How many of these “friendships” with these men do you suppose she has maintained since her marriage? Calling it misogyny to criticise this sort of conduct is to make excuses for some really questionable behaviour. You do a disservice to the majority of women who don’t carry on this way and are still having to fight in a world designed for and run by men. They are hindered, not helped, by women who use sex to get ahead.

I tend not to focus on that aspect of her character though. My main criticism of her on these threads remains the Oprah interview and the damaging lies she told about the institution of the monarchy and individual members of the royal family in particular. I think she’s beneath contempt for that alone.

All the other stuff just confirms to me the person she is.

Flattered but not interested sorry .

Her background is mixed, they seem to have been a hard up family living in a good neighbourhood. Thomas Markle made good money at times but I don’t think her home life was that privileged.

I don’t think people disliked her because of her class though, any more than they cared about her colour. And given her relationship with Harry I think her sex would have been more of an issue if she’d been male.

Because there is an entire cottage industry devoted to spreading negativity about this one woman and I object to that on principle. And every negative post on here and elsewhere adds up to a campaign of hatred.

And the number of negative articles, sm threads, videos, articles about her are wildly disproportionate to anything she has done. And there is a nasty glee evident in posters who rush to disparage her latest project, appearance or event.

At this point, it all amounts to online bullying; and influential misogynistic broadcasters like Jeremy Clarkson and Piers Morgan have lead the charge very effectively. It’s surprising to me that some people choose to blindly follow with so little objective thought.

You don’t have to like her or her actions, but I think most people with a degree of rationality about them can see that this has all gone way beyond a little “ridiculing” or a “little banter” or even “dislike” or all the other inadequate excuses that people are using to justify a full-on, global hate campaign.

I have absolute no doubt that some of this negative campaign against Meghan is strategic across the three main English-speaking domains in UK, US and Oz, involving very conveniently timed leaks of negative press stories, which is what happens when you leave the RF. The BP PR machine is well resourced and powerful, We’ve seen it all before with Diana. How people can take it all at face value in 2025 given what we know is disappointing. Let’s just say that the focus on Meghan & Harry has been very useful to some other members of the RF.

I don’t follow US celebrities and I don’t care for that world particularly, and I don’t agree with the way H&M orchestrated their exit from the RF, but I defend her right to leave without being continuously abused on sm I can’t imagine what it must be like to have to get up every day and be aware of the barrage of hatred being aimed your way. Seriously, how much can one person take?

At this point posters will say that she doesn’t look at sm, but you can’t be a celebrity in the USA and not be aware of things written about you. Every time she picks up her phone, listens to the radio, goes to a supermarket or a hairdresser, she will see the stories and the comment, even if she tries to avoid it.

I don’t care what she has done, I really dislike bullying of any sort, and this has gone too far now. We all know when something is right or wrong instinctively don’t we; and this has gone too far now imho. Especially against someone who has previously talked about feeling suicidal,

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