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CapitalAtRisk · 2025-10-18T12:11:45+00:00

... I would change my name to Sarah York, by deedpoll. There's absolutely nothing stopping her! I don't know if Windsor or Mountbatten-Windsor are "protected" names in some way, but York sure isn't.

LidlAmaretto · 19/10/2025 20:06

Tiredofbullsit · 19/10/2025 18:45

You make it sound like he was a serial adulterer. I only know of Camilla, who he should have been allowed to marry in the first place. Unlike Diana!

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I think he was shagging another married woman when Camilla was pregnant ( by APB) but he was single.

Cynic17 · 19/10/2025 20:07

Arlanymor · 19/10/2025 16:49

Did he do it to avoid associations with the Nazis? That's why they did it. And it was made up because they just went with the name of one of the castles. Windsor isn't an anglicisation of their German surnames... totally different situation surely?

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It was in 1917, to avoid associations with Germany, with whom we were at war. But most definitely not the Nazis, who didn't yet exist as a political movement!

PoppysAunt · 19/10/2025 20:08

The same point keeps getting posted.
I'm going to start a drinking game 🍷

LidlAmaretto · 19/10/2025 20:09

Tiredofbullsit · 19/10/2025 19:00

The Nicene Creed is commonly used by many Christians, including Protestant.

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Oh is it? I'm not C of E but my kids went to a C of E school so I went to their school things in our parish church. I've never heard it there.

Cynic17 · 19/10/2025 20:10

PoppysAunt · 19/10/2025 17:14

That's exactly why.
In fact, the last royal duke to lose his dukedom before Andrew did so because he fought for Germany.
He was Prince Leopold, grandson of Queen Victoria.
Later on, he did actually become a Nazi politician.

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Prince Charles Edward actually, only (and posthumous) son of Prince Leopold.
Born in England, educated at Eton, but sent to Germany as a young man to become Duke of Saxe-Coburg.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/10/2025 20:11

Dollymylove · 19/10/2025 19:58

Im pretty sure William will kick Andrew and his missus out in the street when he takes the throne. Wills wont have to wait as long as his father did 😉 I do feel sympathy for Beatrice and Eugenie though, none of this is their fault and they must feel torn

They willingly went with their mum to celebrate Jeffery Epistine's release from prison. I would save your sympathy for more deserving causes if I were you.

PoppysAunt · 19/10/2025 20:13

Cynic17 · 19/10/2025 20:10

Prince Charles Edward actually, only (and posthumous) son of Prince Leopold.
Born in England, educated at Eton, but sent to Germany as a young man to become Duke of Saxe-Coburg.

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He was baptised Leopold. Actually.
Naned after his father, but known as Charles Edward.
Yes, I know his story.

PoppysAunt · 19/10/2025 20:14

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/10/2025 20:11

They willingly went with their mum to celebrate Jeffery Epistine's release from prison. I would save your sympathy for more deserving causes if I were you.

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Quite. They certainly went along with it all.
It was fairly recently that they were lobbying KC and PW to get Pa back in the fold.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/10/2025 20:14

LidlAmaretto · 19/10/2025 20:06

I think he was shagging another married woman when Camilla was pregnant ( by APB) but he was single.

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I thought only the married person could be an adulterer. Obviously the person knowingly having the affair with said married person is behaving terribly too but their not committing adultery.

LidlAmaretto · 19/10/2025 20:41

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/10/2025 20:14

I thought only the married person could be an adulterer. Obviously the person knowingly having the affair with said married person is behaving terribly too but their not committing adultery.

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Yes that is true. I think during his marriage it was just Camilla

Saveusename · 19/10/2025 20:57

ARichtGoodDram · 19/10/2025 15:55

The Queen was heir presumptive. It is similar to how they issued letters patent for William’s children because they were going to be in the direct line of succession whilst Harry’s children had to wait until Charles was king. They wouldn’t have issued letters patent for Anne’s children (although they could have, in reality they never would have).

That they could have was my point. The posted I was replying to said they could not be given titles as they can only be given on the male line, which is incorrect.

Both Anne and Princess Alexandra were offered titles for their children, with and without titles for their husband, and declined.

The reason changed LP's for Williams children was because under the 1917 ones only his eldest son would be HRH Prince. Which, given the changes to the primogeniture rules going through at the time, could have put them in the situation where they could have a daughter who was a future Queen titled as Lady, then a younger son as HRH Prince. Those changes were to avoid a potential massive sexism row. George would always have been HRH Prince as William's first born, Charlotte and Louis would have been lady and Lord until Charles was king.

Both Anne and Princess Alexandra were offered titles for their children, with and without titles for their husband, and declined.

They weren’t. They were only offered titles for their husbands, not for their kids.

CrushingOnRubies · 19/10/2025 21:20

Nah she’ll go full hog change her name to Sarah Duchess York. And if she’s questioned say her favourite cartoon is Duchess the cat in Aristocats.

ARichtGoodDram · 19/10/2025 21:32

They weren’t. They were only offered titles for their husbands, not for their kids.

They were. They were both offered titles for their husbands when they married. Then an offer of titles for their children was made again when their eldest children were born.

Princess Alexandra confirmed as much many years ago when talking about her husband and their life after his death.

Saveusename · 19/10/2025 21:45

ARichtGoodDram · 19/10/2025 21:32

They weren’t. They were only offered titles for their husbands, not for their kids.

They were. They were both offered titles for their husbands when they married. Then an offer of titles for their children was made again when their eldest children were born.

Princess Alexandra confirmed as much many years ago when talking about her husband and their life after his death.

No, that isn’t true. The husbands were offered titles. The children were not. If they were going to offer all of the children of daughters of monarchs titles in their own right then they would have changed the letters patent to reflect this.

RitaIncognita · 19/10/2025 21:50

LidlAmaretto · 19/10/2025 18:05

I think he was Anglo Catholic rather than Roman Catholic. He was Catholic but didnt want Rome telling him what to do not to divorce his wives. The Indian Catholics in Kerala are called something else I cant remember as the Catholic church was established by St Thomas rather than St Paul, the first Pope, so there are different but still Catholic churches. I have been to an Anglo Catholic church and they had the same prayer as the Roman Catholics iirc ( its been years since Ive said it in any church) "I believe in one Catholic and Apostolic church..."
I think it was Catherine Parr who was the fervent protestant and influenced Edward and Elizabeth, who were Protestant.

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But Anglo-Catholicism ( a term that was not even in use until centuries after Henry VIII) is not and never has been in communion with the Catholic Church.

And yes, Catherine Parr came close to losing her head over her reformed beliefs.

ARichtGoodDram · 19/10/2025 22:14

No, that isn’t true. The husbands were offered titles. The children were not. If they were going to offer all of the children of daughters of monarchs titles in their own right then they would have changed the letters patent to reflect this.

Princess Alexandra literally said so... I reckon she would know given she was there and part of the conversation when her son was born.

And they are not always quick at changing the LP's. Even the changes made for the Cambridge children do not reflect that in future the eldest child of the Prince of Wales may be a daughter. Or even that William's eldest grandchild may be a girl so wouldn't be the Prince of wales. That's despite that change specifically being made because a daughter born first would have been a future Queen.

Saveusename · 19/10/2025 22:57

ARichtGoodDram · 19/10/2025 22:14

No, that isn’t true. The husbands were offered titles. The children were not. If they were going to offer all of the children of daughters of monarchs titles in their own right then they would have changed the letters patent to reflect this.

Princess Alexandra literally said so... I reckon she would know given she was there and part of the conversation when her son was born.

And they are not always quick at changing the LP's. Even the changes made for the Cambridge children do not reflect that in future the eldest child of the Prince of Wales may be a daughter. Or even that William's eldest grandchild may be a girl so wouldn't be the Prince of wales. That's despite that change specifically being made because a daughter born first would have been a future Queen.

Have you got the source for where PA said this? I can’t find anything.

ARichtGoodDram · 19/10/2025 23:05

Have you got the source for where PA said this? I can’t find anything.

I'll have a look for you tomorrow.

It was part of the discussion (after her husband's death) about how he found being married to a member of the royal family and the pressures on them, and about why he didn't accept a title.

It might have been on the C5 documentary about her, but I'll check when I have the chance tomorrow.

Saveusename · 19/10/2025 23:13

ARichtGoodDram · 19/10/2025 23:05

Have you got the source for where PA said this? I can’t find anything.

I'll have a look for you tomorrow.

It was part of the discussion (after her husband's death) about how he found being married to a member of the royal family and the pressures on them, and about why he didn't accept a title.

It might have been on the C5 documentary about her, but I'll check when I have the chance tomorrow.

Thank you.

RitaIncognita · 20/10/2025 04:45

i would be surprised if the late Queen did offer Alexandra's children titles that did not flow from her husband's status. There is precedent, however. Edward VII granted the daughters of his daughter Louise (who was Princess Royal) the title of princess, but with Her Highness instead of HRH. Their father was a Duke (non-royal) so they would have had the title of Lady from him, but Edward gave them an even higher title.

IamNotBeingUnreasonable · 20/10/2025 05:31

Saveusename · 18/10/2025 16:18

No, Louise, Beatrice and Eugenie have exactly the same royal standing. Princesses of the blood, granddaughters of the monarch through the male line.

Zara is not a princess, being a granddaughter through the female line. She cannot style herself ‘Princess Zara’ because she is not a princess. Louise is a princess and can style herself ‘Princess Louise’ if she so wishes.

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Iirc QEII offered Anne titles for her children but Anne declined.

IamNotBeingUnreasonable · 20/10/2025 05:48

Arlanymor · 19/10/2025 16:49

Did he do it to avoid associations with the Nazis? That's why they did it. And it was made up because they just went with the name of one of the castles. Windsor isn't an anglicisation of their German surnames... totally different situation surely?

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I don't know why people are saying Windsor is made up, all names are made up 🤔

H202too · 20/10/2025 06:06

PoppysAunt · 18/10/2025 16:42

You're not stupid for not knowing that! It's a bit confusing.

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Down right misogynistic.

Saveusename · 20/10/2025 15:05

RitaIncognita · 20/10/2025 04:45

i would be surprised if the late Queen did offer Alexandra's children titles that did not flow from her husband's status. There is precedent, however. Edward VII granted the daughters of his daughter Louise (who was Princess Royal) the title of princess, but with Her Highness instead of HRH. Their father was a Duke (non-royal) so they would have had the title of Lady from him, but Edward gave them an even higher title.

Yes, but that was before George V deliberately created new letters patent to streamline the family and add ‘rules’ rather than ad hoc decisions.

Alexandra was not a daughter of a monarch. Her brothers’ children are not princes or princesses either. Her first born was already 14th in the line of succession at birth. It would be extremely strange and unusual for the queen to make Alexandra’s children princes and princesses. The equivalent of the offer being made by William to make Beatrice, Eugenie, James or Louise’s children princes and princesses.

Saveusename · 20/10/2025 15:06

IamNotBeingUnreasonable · 20/10/2025 05:31

Iirc QEII offered Anne titles for her children but Anne declined.

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Titles they’d have taken through their father’s rank as Duke or Earl. Not prince and princess.