Is Meghan a narcissist?

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I keep seeing these reels and social media smears on Meghan being a narcissist and abusive partner to Harry. She certainly doesn't seem overly popular with the royal family or understood the expectations of her as a royal when she married him.

I'm by no means a royalist or a fan of Megan's. But I'm the same age as Harry so always felt I could relate a little to him. I haven't read his book or watched the netflix docs.

The main thing that doesn't sit quite right for me is they wanted a 'private life' and then done anything but. Did Megan use Harry's desire for privacy to isolate him from his family and friends?

https://www.glamour.com/story/renowned-photographer-misan-harriman-speaks-out-against-balenciaga

Also a piece here in Glamour magazine from 2022

You haven't answered the question or are you saying this is the lifestyle she wants?

So in that case you are agreeing then that this is a wrong thing for Meghan to associate herself with considering her leading the way on social media influence on children and young people?

Yes, she’s wants the lifestyle, IMO.

That’ll be why she’s there - a small fry in a murky puddle 🤣

… basically Megain wouldn’t be able to get the correct publicity or friends in fashion for standing up for him so she kept quiet … her ‘friend’ Mulroney though was chucked under the bus because she is expendable for the publicity Megain got for standing up for #insert whatever she’s got her purse pointing at … because she’s calculated and happy to cut off anyone she sees beneath her who she can stand on to reach a headline or camera - that’s all she’s worried about, selfish mean girl!

Most of her milieu are carbon copies, she’s no better or worse. Most operate like this.

She'll go wherever she's invited if it provides an opportunity for publicity and her insta feed.

She obviously doesn't get invited to much so can't be too choosey.

It's all great fun for us to watch the seemingly never ending cock ups that they get involved in, but I just can't see how any of this helps them in any way.

I suspect they are going to run into financial problems within the next ten years. Their spending to date has been too high to sustain. Harry is going to have to learn to slum it in first class on commercial flights.

I think he’s already tapped Charles up in this regard & there is more money sloshing around than we know.

I think they have a lot of money as money makes money, but I don’t think since the money Charles gave them on leaving there has been more to be honest. Not yet.

i was reading an article last night about Megan, and I do feel sorry for her. This fashion show was clearly a very, very big deal for her, and it’s resulted in a lot of negative publicity which she will care deeply about.

the thing is, if she’d just acted like it was all routine, not shown her stylists doing her up for it, even though she had them. not called the paps to her hotel, not worn that over the top white outfit, but something paired down, not done that silly cat walk out the hotel, not posted that video of her feet up, not billed it as her return after ten years, if she’d just turned up , looking paired down and elegant, she’d still have made headlines, but no negativity.

It was the fact she made such a big pr deal of it, like she was going to the Oscar’s as a nominee, that basically was her down fall. There were just all Minor errors in judgement that all added up to a pr disaster. She tried to use the show as some form of come back for her.

sadly it also does look like she was laughing at the model who fell on the cat walk. And that’s an inherently nasty trait. And as much as sometimes it can be funny when someone falls over, we all know well enough to control it. And No one else was laughing. She even turns to her companion and when she sees he is not laughing and studiously not reacting to her or the fall. she immediately realises her error and straightens her face.

thr whole thing shows her in a really bad light. I honestly think she’s very out of her depth, desperate for acceptance, and some positive publicity and the harder she tries, the worse it gets for her.

thr whole thing shows her in a really bad light. I honestly think she’s very out of her depth, desperate for acceptance, and some positive publicity and the harder she tries, the worse it gets for her.

Yes that’s the shenanigans we have been listening to and watching for years and years. A nasty, demanding, talentless bully conniving her way to the top, standing on anyone’s neck to do so but time and time again messing it up or being exposed. It’s hugely entertaining to sit back and watch the grandiose and delusional one mess it up all on their own time and time again. Like a soap opera - the gift that keeps on giving.

I think they have a lot of money as money makes money,

It can make money. It can also be spent, History (including recent history) is littered with people who have had a lot of money and spent it all. Often because they assume they will continue to acquire it rather than recognising what they have might well be all they get so they need to live within their means.

Yes absolutely, and they have an expensive lifestyle, but if you’ve 80 million in investments, then you’re likely going to make 5 -8 million a year on that in interest as it compounds as it is reinvested.

It’s not just their earnings, but the money they had personally and harry had inherited. They could likely live off the interest and not touch their capital sums.

So yes they could spend it all, but I’m not seeing that sort of lifestyle, and I strongly suspect this isn’t just about money to survive for them or maintain lifestyle, I think it’s about Megan wanting to be famous, positively viewed, putting her name to stuff she likes etc.

In terms of her look for fashion week, I thought she had a look of Sarah Jessica Parker with a very angular face. Whereas a few years ago she had quite a rounded face.
I know she's much slimmer now than she was but it looks more than that to me. I'm wondering about buchal fat removal to accentuate angles in her face?

I think buchal fat removal gives a much more stylish high fashion appearance to the face but I also think it's aging or at least makes women look ageless.
A plump face is youthful.

Just a thought i had about this high fashion look in terms of both the clothes and her face.

I actually liked her style in WLM. Sundresses, linen trousers, shirts, etc a bit softer and more relaxed.
I also liked the house and the garden and the vibe of the show: sunny Cali was gorgeous. It was just the content was vacuous.

I wonder if she's going to go more high fashion generally?

They want to be respected I think, but unfortunately not many people seem to think they deserve respect. Who said - I think a source close to them explaining the pretend royal tours - that Harry thinks himself a statesman on the world stage. I mean this is next level delusion.

To be fair to Meghan, she keeps plugging away, but it just gets more and more toe-curling. The Zoolander walk, her laughing at the model, and the video of Kristin Scott Thomas blanking her were all painful to watch. She just gets it so wrong.

And Harry is now finding out what life is actually like outside the Royal Family protective bubble. His life is open to scrutiny and there’s not the same downside for the press of pissing off the Royals and having access restricted, so it’s open season on the charities for starters. Plus their PR since they left has been so amateurish in comparison. They are just not up to managing any of this without the grown-ups. They haven’t the skills, experience, temperament, judgement, resilience, nor the self-awareness. I’m sure the RF could see it all coming, knowing Harry as they do / did. But it’s been pretty surprising for everyone else.

The walk out of the hotel was very strange. It looked to me like she acting a Victoria Beckham type of character.
Gone were the beaming smiles to the camera, the fluttery finger waves and instead there's someone draped in white, staring straight ahead, unsmilingly marching to the car flanked by security.
She was just leaving for an event, not walking the catwalk herself so why the abrupt change?
Other famous people going to a fashion show don't suddenly start pretending they're somebody else.

From a commercial point of view I think she went about it backwards.

People want aspiration and positivity. H&M had that ‘image’ when they left the RF. If she had harnessed that moment and went on to commercialise high fashion and makeup at that point she would have been pushing on an open door.

Instead they spent years creating documentaries, books, giving interviews, falling out with family, friends, colleagues etc and discharged their bitter, brittle, vexatious and unhinged obsessions around a victim narrative. Not attractive. Not sexy.

This backfired and exposed their grifting, bullying, delusional and grandiose characteristics - so they did not build on the ‘positive and aspirational’ image they arguably had to that date - and one which commercial collaborators and consumers are attracted to. In fact, they eroded it and destroyed their own brand potential spectacularly.

Since their ‘big reveal’ their subsequent attempts at rebranding via more wholesome endeavours (WLM, As Ever, etc) are now ironically just fuel to a fire where other people (not H&M), ie both MSM and online content creators have been able to generate $$$$ as there is clearly a substantial revenue stream that has sprung up on all things H&M ‘laughing stock’. Including I imagine cash being made also by their diminishing SS fan base who also get the clicks.

It is a fascinating case study of a unique arc of fame, greed, PR, court cases, subterfuge, etc played out on the world stage daily.

They really have destroyed their own brand. I am waiting for MMs book or Spare2 - to be titled ‘Squandered’

I agree with you. If they had used the momentum when they first left to cement their names commercially, it could have been different, but I am left with a lingering doubt as I just don’t think they have the skill set, talent, or work ethic to make it work.

I mean look at Spotify, it’s shocking she didn’t even do most of the interviews but dubbed her voice in after, that’s bad, really bad. Rumours coming out of Netflix over the years they are a nightmare to work with, indecisive, demanding snd apparently their docuseries had to keep getting bits cut and redone as they found it directly contradicted spare.

so I think if they had tried commercial first off, they would still have failed. But I fully agree starting off my selling gossip , which let’s face it is what everyone wanted, really did for them. They thought it would reflect badly on the royals, but the royals have basically come out the other side unscathed and Harry and Megan looking like bitter lying trolls. The book, the interviews, it was all so tacky, so petty, no one respected it. And the dishonesty in it unacceptable. Simple things like an aide telling him his great grandmother died, when he was at school, when factually he was skiing with his father at the time.

Some really insightful points.

I think M wants fame, & to be worshipped & adored. She’s an insecure outsider (as she feels it) at heart & billionaire status, yacht & jet wealth, means she emerges as Queen of realm. To that end, what’s on her vision board, next steps?

She looked fantastic at PFW & the laughing reaction re: stumbling model not necessarily showing inherently mean, IMO, the woman behind in clip looks to do the same.

You’ve nailed it here. How important is £ to her re: status? Do they have enough to not worry too much & for her to just do the odd ego boosting appearance? Is it too late for her to commercialise high end make-up etc? The face of Balenciaga, Chanel etc? Next steps? What’s Harry’s role?

I imagine it’s still a shock to Harry that he needs to pay for things.
I think they probably do have a lot of money but they don’t have RF money.

would any big fashion house really collab with her, she doesn’t seem to get invited to much.

Wasn't Harry due to launch a big new commercial project?

I think she’s too polarizing for most brands - yes she bring a lot of attention but most of it is negative attention which doesn’t work for most brands.

Definitely not ‘exclusive’ high end brands. I am not sure she really ever was a fit for them though. It would need to be a brand that is happy with a bit of controversy to stir up interest.