Is Meghan a narcissist?

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I keep seeing these reels and social media smears on Meghan being a narcissist and abusive partner to Harry. She certainly doesn't seem overly popular with the royal family or understood the expectations of her as a royal when she married him.

I'm by no means a royalist or a fan of Megan's. But I'm the same age as Harry so always felt I could relate a little to him. I haven't read his book or watched the netflix docs.

The main thing that doesn't sit quite right for me is they wanted a 'private life' and then done anything but. Did Megan use Harry's desire for privacy to isolate him from his family and friends?

Shade.

The black dress was nice. The white outfit was awful. Lots of people online were liking it to Princess Leia’s dress but at least that flattered her figure!

The creative director, Demna, remained in his position at Balenciaga until March 2025. So despite presenting handbags sold via child SA imagery, he was allowed to stay in his position.

At the time this all blew up, November 2022, neither he nor Balenciaga took full responsibility. Their initial reaction was to withdraw the campaign, deny what the public were seeing in the images (which included a Supreme Court judgement on SA and the First Amendment and the degree certificate of a child abuser) and sue the set designer. That's not apology, that's denial, defense and offense.

That position was untenable in the face of overwhelming public and media criticism. Balenciaga did apologise by the end of that month, saying “We strongly condemn child abuse. It was never our intent to include it in our narrative… We take full accountability for our lack of oversight and control of the documents in the background and we could have done things differently.”

Demna in December 2022 said this: “I want to personally apologise for the wrong artistic choice of concept for the gifting campaign with the kids and I take my responsibility. It was inappropriate to have kids promote objects that had nothing to do with them. As much as I would sometimes like to provoke a thought through my work, I would NEVER have an intention to do that with such an awful subject as child abuse that I condemn.” That's not taking full responsibility or even admitting that the imagery and props used were as sick as they were for any ad campaign.

But maybe that's because the buck didn't stop with Demna, as you claim. From Vogue in 2023:

"In a statement to Vogue, Balenciaga’s president and CEO, Cédric Charbit, elaborated: “The artistic director oversees the creative. I take all the business decisions, have the final cut and responsibility. In between there are many steps, in terms of creation and validation, and several teams are involved in a collaborative way. All this was unintentional, but we collectively failed. I made the wrong judgement and take responsibility. We all learned from this and have taken actions and changed our ways of working so this never happens again.”

Lots of words about errors of judgment etc, and teaming with a children's charity. But I have questions about the culture of an institution that would have come up with the campaign in the first place and why they didn't see anything wrong with the imagery until it went to press, when the public recoiled from it immediately it was published and they realised their profit margin was at stake. And that is the problem with Balenciaga. They can "wash" their image with contrition, but that doesn't go to the rotten heart of the matter as to why they thought this was ok in the first place.

WRT your previous point about supporting a friend, Meghan has acted decisively in the past cutting off ties with associations she's classified in terms of friendship that crossed her moral compass, eg Jessica Mulroney, eg, the Milwaulkie Muslim Women's Coalition, so she doesn't always support her friends indiscriminately.

I'd happily see Andrew and Fergie criminally investigated, tried and convicted if everything Andrew Lownie has written about them is true (and he's a thorough and principled investigator). Yes, the rest of the Windsor clan is tainted by the association and needs to take some decisive action on the pair - they need to be chopped out and publicly condemned and the whole matter investigated in public. I'm no more impressed by the Yorks' contrition and apologies than I am by Balenciaga's. The core is rotten in both.

I'm very sorry, but I rarely post on MN these days. Do you keep a spreadsheet of posters or something?

I think the fashion world is the perfect place for her, vapid, fake, self absorbed..

Tbh I thought it was ‘launching a creation’. So it wasn’t clear at all.

OMG so has Spectre twisted a story beyond recognition in order to defend Meghan’s hypocrisy, how unusual 🙄

I think this is the key point really.

Meghan has put herself in the position to be criticised because she previously has put herself on a pedestal as a super principled humanitarian and activist and a champion for causes such as child safety online.

her actions show that this is all just empty words. She doesn’t actually care, she doesn’t actually have these principles.

lots of celebrities (most) don’t either - but they don’t come in for the same criticism because they aren’t pretending to be different.

I do wonder with Meghan whether she herself knows how fake all these different personas are that she puts on, or whether, in the moment, she really believes herself to be a humanitarian, or a perfect trad wife, or a girl boss or whatever. Maybe that’s how she has the brass neck to say and do things that are totally contradictory, because she dissociates herself from the persona who made those comments.

Good point.

Spot on. Harry does it too.

Lol no I don't but its obvious who is a regular posters and who isn't yet you only come on this rare moment to have a pop at Meghan didnt feel the need to do it when the revelations about Andrew and Fergie happened..didnt feel the need to make such a strong statement abojt how the whol RF is tainted as an institution and everyone in it is....

So are you boycotting the rf then?

Im not twisting anything...its not thag complicated

A poster says that they would boycott a fashion lable based on what a few individuals in it did....

So I'm saying why wont you boycott the rf then? After all we have some individuals linked to sex trafficking of girls....

See that hypcrocrisy right there that you continue to adore the RF but then say you would boycott a different institution who did something equally as bad...

Megan is just someone who wants to be an A list celebrity and not being particularly successful in her attempts to get there. Not that she has done badly to get where she is as a celebrity, but she doesn’t have the necessary talent or charisma to bump her up into the top tier.

For her, I don’t think it is anything deeper than that.

I agree but she’s incredibly ambitious & would like the reverence afforded to say, Amal Clooney. She also needs ££ to fund high multi millionaire/billionaire lifestyle IMO. She’s on the way to doing that perhaps despite odds not being good on paper.

I think Harry and Meghan are their own worst enemies, They take one step forward-H meeting his father, M being invited to PFW and then cock it up by releasing some ill advised video or statement.

Actually I think that’s it, the top tier all have talent, irrelevant of what anyone personally thinks of them, they got there through graft and talent, you can’t get that just due to a name, it only takes you so far, as any nepo baby will tell you. It make get you a foot in the door, initial opportunities, as was afforded to Megan and Harry, but if you don’t have the skill set or talent to take it further, then it will always fail. And Megan and Harry have very little skill or talent.

Harry is good at being a working royal to some extent , meeting people, shaking hands, smiling a lot, cracking jokes, not anything more complex ie speeches, responsibility etc, Megan is a decent b/c list actress for anything that is ensemble cast, not to carry it on her own.

what they want to do, content creation, is incredibly difficult and a crowded market, and they don’t have the name anymore, they can’t have someone else do it for them and they dub it and put their name to it. No one is interested, it doesn’t draw people.

harry;s Netflix programs were a complete flop, I think Netflix did them as they’d spent so much money, and Megan’s with love thing and website faired a little better initially but only as people were curious and wanted a laugh at her expense. It didn’t translate to dedicated watchers I don’t think so it feels like it flopped also,

spotify was a complete disaster, from Megan having someone else do most of the interviews and her voice dubbed over after, which still makes me cringe, and Harry wanting to interview trump and Putin about their childhoods, it’s toe curling.

and then of course there is the mess which is archewell, which they do an hour a week on, and really doesn’t have any wide contributions, just two people last time, not sure if that’s Harry and Megan themselves for tax write off purposes, or someone like Oprah as a charitable donation for the interview. Who knows,

we have the fake pseudo royal tours, it still astounds me anyone allows that, but they always seem more publicity seeking than about where the tour is.

and lastly we have invictus, which they are now using as their own publicity show, the one good thing they have left. Their presence does give it publicity, but I’m sure if they were not linked and invictus got a number of high profile sponsors, it would be better for them.

im just not sure what’s left, turning up in expensive clothes and posing at fashion shows or premiers isn’t going to pay the bills. Neither is posing with sick kids or going to the Ukraine. I am just unsure what’s can do now, it looks bleak.

Thanks but I was talking about your reinvention and minimisation of what happened at Balenciaga to try and defend Meghan's hypocrisy in partnering with them.

I don’t believe that PP said they would boycott Balenciaga anyway, or that they adore the RF actually, so there you go. Making up the usual rubbish to defend the indefensible.

It is 100% the hypocrisy and hubris that exposes them both to criticism.

We expect celebrities to be shallow and vacuous, it’s a pleasant surprise when they aren’t. Marrying a prince made Meghan Markle look more than she is or ever could be and unfortunately she finds herself judged to that standard. Making grandiose claims that weren’t followed up was always going to be a poor strategy.

I have no idea whether she’s a narcissist. I don’t think the label matters. It’s the character that tells the story.

I think if you look at the RF topics there are threads about Andrew Lownie's book where there are plenty of people criticising other members of the RF who have been involved with Epstein. Comparing boycotting the whole of the RF compared to one fashion house I think is not quite comparable. This does not equate with adoring the whole RF.

Would you give me that much ?

If people are going to post here that how dare she go she is a hypocrite after what the label did and who cares if it was an individal or.two, the lable as an institution should be boycotted...

Well then yes I will then want to ask why then do you not boycott the RF as an institution after what two individuals ergo Andrew and Fergie have done which is equally heinous. Instead its okay for them to say well it just two people not all of them and I wont boycott that institution....

Well makes you a hypocrite right. At least you can agree on that.

So then comws the irony of people calling some a hypocrite and they themselves are hypocritical.

Yes, Meghan is a hypocrite who has taken a position of political influence on child safety and free speech. Balenciaga is a fashion brand that has never accounted for how and why they thought their child SA imagery campaign was alright in the first place, a topic I was interested in when it happened (and spent a lot of time on FWR discussing back in 2022). Their creative director did not take full responsibility as you falsely stated, nor did he stand down, and the CEO said it was a company wide failure. Which means a company wide culture at play that gave the green light every step of the way to the offending campaign. Since Meghan has only showed us her association with Balenciaga since Saturday night, when exactly was I supposed to have "popped up"?

It would be crass of me to suggest that only the ill educated would equate a non essential, luxury handbag company with a branch of the UK's political framework of governance. The failures of the latter has major political consequences, which is why it needs to get rid of the rotten elements and reform, as I have stated above. It's not a question of "boycotting", is it, you can no more boycott the institution that holds the head of state than you can Parliament or the court system. It's not a consumer choice.

Do you not really understand this?

The hypocrisy comes from Meghan positioning herself as a crusader for child safety and then teaming up with Balenciaga. Yes, you might equally well ask why someone like that doesn’t speak out against Andrew. Or why they would use their own children online to promote themselves.

Or you might wonder why people who tell us to reduce our carbon footprints travel so much by private jet. Or why people who speak out against bullying would a) bully their staff, b) not address the bullying of the PoW and c) actually thank their supporters who did that. Or you might wonder why someone who insists on their title being used would not use other people’s titles. Or why people concerned about their privacy being breached would happily breach others’ privacy. Or why people who complain about others leaking to the press would do it themselves all the time.

Hopefully these many examples of hypocrisy might help you to understand the problem.

A reality show is next I think. That’s all they can do. Let the masses gawp at their house and grounds, and most importantly their kids.

She's on the way to being a billionaire? Doing what?

I'm just wondering how turning up at a show for a company with its bad press marries with her receiving an award by Project Healthy Minds which is all about building a safer digital world for families and youth? Surely there was some other designer who would be happy to have a well recognised face at their show? Did she get to keep the shoes for free? Is that literally all it takes? Did this not even cross her mind? There seems to be a serious lack of assessing the future outcomes of her actions.