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The royal family

Is Meghan a narcissist?

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Clbs · 28/09/2025 08:20

I keep seeing these reels and social media smears on Meghan being a narcissist and abusive partner to Harry. She certainly doesn't seem overly popular with the royal family or understood the expectations of her as a royal when she married him.

I'm by no means a royalist or a fan of Megan's. But I'm the same age as Harry so always felt I could relate a little to him. I haven't read his book or watched the netflix docs.

The main thing that doesn't sit quite right for me is they wanted a 'private life' and then done anything but. Did Megan use Harry's desire for privacy to isolate him from his family and friends?

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PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 11:18

Tubestrike · 05/10/2025 10:46

I don't think you can turn charisma on and off. My friend (65) is massively charismatic, people are just naturally drawn to her, she has no idea that she has this attraction, she's not stunningly beautiful , it's something that is indescribable, it's always there.
I think charm and charisma are two different things.

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Yes. Spot on. It’s a real gift. She’s very, very attractive & has maximised her beauty but not objectively truly beautiful. The elegance/class is studied & evolved & she works at things with bootcamp zeal. She can turn on others though & it’s this rather than a ‘turning off the charisma’ that I note.

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 11:24

Trinner · 05/10/2025 10:28

& ££ stream is now secure

What are your sources for this claim?

I can’t know of course but H will secure more than he needs from Dad/Royals in time, I believe. if he hasn’t currently.

I think a lack of almost billionaire type wealth is an insecurity for M (She wants to ‘win’ at life & ‘show everyone) & there’s a feeling I get it’s all on the way to coming together.

duckfordinner · 05/10/2025 11:33

I don’t think she is a narcissist. I think she was demonised by media for having boundaries and being non compliant and challenging. The rules are if you marry into the royalty, you don’t belong to yourself, you belong to the Firm.

Trinner · 05/10/2025 11:49

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 11:24

I can’t know of course but H will secure more than he needs from Dad/Royals in time, I believe. if he hasn’t currently.

I think a lack of almost billionaire type wealth is an insecurity for M (She wants to ‘win’ at life & ‘show everyone) & there’s a feeling I get it’s all on the way to coming together.

So you have zero evidence that they are secure financially but are comfortable claiming that as fact.

MrsGusset · 05/10/2025 11:57

I've noticed that Meghan gets far more attention when she dresses badly than when she looks good. Does make me wonder whether she sometimes deliberately chooses her outfits with that in mind.

Last night's white ensemble was a snorter. But it did the trick, she's all over the press and the internet this morning.

Looking like the love child of Demis Roussos & Olive Oyl for a couple of hours is a small price to pay for all that free publicity. Perhaps Meghan has had the last laugh after all.

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 11:57

Trinner · 05/10/2025 11:49

So you have zero evidence that they are secure financially but are comfortable claiming that as fact.

No apologies for not being clearer it’s an opinion & time will tell. Clearly they have enough currently for an A list life to all intents & purposes.

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 11:59

MrsGusset · 05/10/2025 11:57

I've noticed that Meghan gets far more attention when she dresses badly than when she looks good. Does make me wonder whether she sometimes deliberately chooses her outfits with that in mind.

Last night's white ensemble was a snorter. But it did the trick, she's all over the press and the internet this morning.

Looking like the love child of Demis Roussos & Olive Oyl for a couple of hours is a small price to pay for all that free publicity. Perhaps Meghan has had the last laugh after all.

Lol. I love the outfit & think she rocks it. How fab to be able to have the opportunity to be playful in that realm.

PaisleyGilmourStreet · 05/10/2025 12:02

I haven't seen or read anything about her in ages. I don't read much of the gossipy press (tabloid) though, so maybe she features a lot in that type of media now?

I read the interview she did in The Cut a while back, and it was pure (unintentional) comedy. Proper Alan Partridge stuff.

Darner · 05/10/2025 12:02

It was nice to see Meghan at fashion week. I thought she looked stunning in both outfits. The black dress in particular was just gorgeous. I like that she takes risks.

JSMill · 05/10/2025 12:04

I’m not sure how anyone can claim it’s ‘all coming together’. H and M made money from Spare and the NF documentary but every other project has failed. There will be no more podcasts, no more WLM and As Ever has whimpered away. What is on the horizon for them?

LaMarschallin · 05/10/2025 12:07

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 11:59

Lol. I love the outfit & think she rocks it. How fab to be able to have the opportunity to be playful in that realm.

Meghan does often go on about being "playful" - mostly that seems to have translated into laughing a lot and shooting "What am I like!?" glances at the camera but perhaps it's moving into her clothes.
If so, after her "unravelling mummy" outfit this time, I'm definitely here for it.

Teeteringpiles555 · 05/10/2025 12:08

Trinner · 05/10/2025 10:45

Lots of people deploy charisma (eg flattery / manipulation) in order to progress in life. Some are then comfortable to step on the necks of those they have flattered when they don’t need them anymore.

It’s the initial part of the classic narc ‘idealise, devalue and discard’ routine - and we can see MM has warmly charmed and then coldly discarded consistently very many people in her life pre and post fame from her closest school friend, first husband, live in partner, colleagues (where are all her Suits gang?), BFF (Jessica), friends (Mackintosh, Cundy), agents, father (where’s Doria?) etc. These types are very skilled at using their warm charisma (grooming) to get what they want before moving on. Many people associated with MM have spoken out publicly about the shock and hurt of being treated this way by her. That’s quite an unusual way to operate in the world and I am not sure that any close friends, colleagues, family etc of any other public figure have individually and separately spoken out like this. Quite a phenomenon. It even has its own name being ‘Markled’.

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Oh come on! In rl, very few of us have lifetime friends from childhood! One or two maybe? Studies show that the most frequent common denominator associated with making friends is proximity, and most of us have friends for a season; at school, at uni, at work, at maternity classes, at nursery school, doing the school run, at work again, from hobby groups, and then when you move to the country once retired. Most people keep up with one or two friends from a couple of the categories, and the rest fall by the wayside simply bc life with dc gets too complex and life’s too short!

If any of our lives were put under the same degree of intense scrutiny that Meghan’s has, we would all be blamed for dropping friends!

tramtracks · 05/10/2025 12:15

duckfordinner · 05/10/2025 11:33

I don’t think she is a narcissist. I think she was demonised by media for having boundaries and being non compliant and challenging. The rules are if you marry into the royalty, you don’t belong to yourself, you belong to the Firm.

It is a job - you don’t join a company as a newbie and expect it to completely change to accommodate your views and opinions straight away.

if they didnt like the job - they could leave - they didn’t need to have a blub about it and spend the next 5 years playing the victim.

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 12:15

JSMill · 05/10/2025 12:04

I’m not sure how anyone can claim it’s ‘all coming together’. H and M made money from Spare and the NF documentary but every other project has failed. There will be no more podcasts, no more WLM and As Ever has whimpered away. What is on the horizon for them?

I think somehow they’re in a better financial position than they were. Agree evidence suggests otherwise but reading the Lownie book has given me a diff perspective perhaps.

jumpingthehighjump · 05/10/2025 12:21

If any of our lives were put under the same degree of intense scrutiny that Meghan’s has, we would all be blamed for dropping friends

So agree with this, I'm old and I have 'friends' for different decades of my life, people I've holidayed with, shared flats with, worked with...lots have fallen by the wayside. No falling out at all, but life moves on and changes. Some of them catch up now and again and we connect, some don't. That's fine

Meghan's friendships are put under a microscope and it's ridiculous
I am not sure why anyone is interested on what's on the horizon for them now given some people on here want them to go away

Spectre8 · 05/10/2025 12:31

Lionfisher · 05/10/2025 08:05

Best find yourself an available royal with a large inheritance to leech off, nothing natural about this face!

She does have some linen different you zoom in close enough you can see them faintly.

Im 43, I have zero lines on my face but I live a streas free life, don't repetitively crease my forehead so the lines dont get created in the first place. I also make sure I stay dehydrated and use almond oil on my face as a cleanser daily..all this helps and I eat as clean as I can and exercise regularly. Anyone can do these things.

I di see some lines on my fave especially when im dehydrated so its not like they arent there at all.

It's not impossible to have very good skin, and you dont need to have lots of money either. You also dont need to have lots of treatments, nor expensive creams etc. However if people want to use them so what if that makes them happy its their choice.

Resisterance · 05/10/2025 12:35

Bumped into an acquaintance yesterday who said she's thinks she's got high functioning autism and that is should watch it through that lens.

I find her very strange.

Trinner · 05/10/2025 12:37

Teeteringpiles555 · 05/10/2025 12:08

Oh come on! In rl, very few of us have lifetime friends from childhood! One or two maybe? Studies show that the most frequent common denominator associated with making friends is proximity, and most of us have friends for a season; at school, at uni, at work, at maternity classes, at nursery school, doing the school run, at work again, from hobby groups, and then when you move to the country once retired. Most people keep up with one or two friends from a couple of the categories, and the rest fall by the wayside simply bc life with dc gets too complex and life’s too short!

If any of our lives were put under the same degree of intense scrutiny that Meghan’s has, we would all be blamed for dropping friends!

Of course friends come and go through various stages of our lives - everyone experiences this - fading friendships are natural in different situations - but I have never seen so many ex friends choose to independently and publicly speak out about their being ghosted or dropped by someone.

Spectre8 · 05/10/2025 12:45

jumpingthehighjump · 05/10/2025 12:21

If any of our lives were put under the same degree of intense scrutiny that Meghan’s has, we would all be blamed for dropping friends

So agree with this, I'm old and I have 'friends' for different decades of my life, people I've holidayed with, shared flats with, worked with...lots have fallen by the wayside. No falling out at all, but life moves on and changes. Some of them catch up now and again and we connect, some don't. That's fine

Meghan's friendships are put under a microscope and it's ridiculous
I am not sure why anyone is interested on what's on the horizon for them now given some people on here want them to go away

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I agree with you. People come and go in your life for various reasons. Its also healthy to only keep people in your life who add something to it otherwise what is the point, who wants negative toxic ppl around them? Seriously hands up if you do?

I find its quite weird that people still sit like they are a 10yr old child who thinks friendships are for life....erm no maybe one or two might but not everyone.

If someone started to also make horrible comments about you, or co finally disrespected you would you still keep them as a friend? I guess some posters here would judging by their comments lol

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 12:50

Resisterance · 05/10/2025 12:35

Bumped into an acquaintance yesterday who said she's thinks she's got high functioning autism and that is should watch it through that lens.

I find her very strange.

That might be it but there’s a certain ruthlessness to her too, IMO.

She’d have needed super ambition & ruthlessness to get a part on Suits for sure. Many underestimate quite how competitive that world was/is. You see the same clear eyed ambition in those who go after those of ultra high net worth. Some conniving, competitive, cunning & incredibly clever with it. It’s interesting to observe.

Mylovelygreendress · 05/10/2025 12:51

duckfordinner · 05/10/2025 11:33

I don’t think she is a narcissist. I think she was demonised by media for having boundaries and being non compliant and challenging. The rules are if you marry into the royalty, you don’t belong to yourself, you belong to the Firm.

But she was happy to accept the perks ? Title, 24/7 security , unlimited funds for travel and clothes, jewels, staff , house refurbished to her specifications etc .
What she didn’t want was the boring stuff and she certainly didn’t want to walk behind Catherine .

Whilst insisting on using her own title she isn’t keen to use other people’s- Harry’s grandmother , Kate , your brother etc .

bluegreygreen · 05/10/2025 12:57

Resisterance · 05/10/2025 12:35

Bumped into an acquaintance yesterday who said she's thinks she's got high functioning autism and that is should watch it through that lens.

I find her very strange.

My husband has autism - 'high functioning' if you wish to put that label on it.

I am increasingly annoyed at the tendency of MN to ascribe any bad behaviour to autism.
My husband does not bully people or tell lies. To the contrary, he is one of the most scrupulously truthful people I know. He is also kinder than I am to people he meets in passing.

WolfingtonBear · 05/10/2025 13:06

I don’t think she had boundaries at all! Am I reading it right that you’re suggesting she just had normal healthy boundaries and wouldn’t let the Brits be mean to her? I think she was a massive whiner who thought she could improve the BRF with her far more sophisticated and modern US ways. When she found it inflexible/immovable she melted down with frustration and Harry was only too delighted to encourage her in that as a way to rebel and stick it to his father and brother. I maintain too that at least 80% of her frustration was that her position meant she could never outshine Catherine, and the two of them thoroughly disliked each other so that felt unbearable to Meghan. Understandable really but she then tried to burn the whole thing down with her accusations of racism.

PinkPanther57 · 05/10/2025 13:10

bluegreygreen · 05/10/2025 12:57

My husband has autism - 'high functioning' if you wish to put that label on it.

I am increasingly annoyed at the tendency of MN to ascribe any bad behaviour to autism.
My husband does not bully people or tell lies. To the contrary, he is one of the most scrupulously truthful people I know. He is also kinder than I am to people he meets in passing.

I agree with all this.

Perhaps though, the PP meant that MM’s delivery at times is misconstrued? Eg the ‘being married before’ not literally but metaphorically, the ‘bowing’ demonstration well intentioned/not mocking etc. Autism presents differently for all & it’s true that sometimes for those with condition as you’ll know behaviour seen as ‘off’ when intent is honest/sincere/good (?)

feellikeanalien · 05/10/2025 13:30

Serenster · 05/10/2025 10:20

I was interested in the shots of Meghan leaving her hotel to go to the fashion show below. She’s staying at the Plaza Athenée, which is a very fancy hotel. It’s part of the Dorchester Group, owned by the Sultan of Brunei, along with the Dorchester in London, obviously.

This reminded me of what Meghan’s then manager said about Meghan and the Dorchester before she married Harry:

”Meghan has strong principles. She set herself standards and she knew what she did and didn't want to be associated with very early on, long before Prince Harry,' explains Gina…
An early indicator of Meghan's careful approach came on one of her first trips to the UK, where Gina and Kruger Cowne arranged for Meghan to stay at The Dorchester, the Park Lane hotel favoured by celebs and Royals. Plans were in place for Ms Markle… to check in for free at the five-star hotel where rooms start from £400. It was an offer for which most clients would 'give their eye teeth', says Gina.
It came as something of a surprise to her hosts, then, when Meghan wrote to say it simply would not do. It was in conflict with her personal beliefs. The owner, the Sultan of Brunei Hassanal Bolkiah – whose Dorchester Collection includes the Beverly Hills Hotel in LA and the Le Meurice in Paris – had recently suggested sharia punishments should be meted out to adulterers and those found to be homosexual. Women who had abortions would be flogged in public.
Gina said: 'Meghan emailed to say she would never stay at the Dorchester, or any hotels they are involved with. We understood and of course agreed.”

Things change, I guess?

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This picture sums up to me what she wanted when she married Harry. Coming out of a posh hotel surrounded by bodyguards (I presume that's what these men are).

I'm not keen on her but she certainly keeps going regardless of the criticism she gets. Her new PR team must be doing something right.

How this translates into income I'm not sure but I would imagine that she may be trying to get fashion house endorsements and, as others have said, she certainly generates headlines so there will probably be some fashion houses who may want to associate with her.

Maybe that is the way forward for her.